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Where in the article do you see that it might include illegal drugs as well as prescription drugs?
I don't believe I have suggested anything at all about culpability, have I? But if you are suggesting that drug manufacturers are unaware of the actual use of their products then I challenge you to give me some evidence of that. With so many high profile cases of misuse of prescription drugs that would be a hard sell.
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If I reach the point where pain is unbearable and I get nausious taking vicodin and some other painkillers, I'm sure that an "accidental" overdose will be the way I'll end it.
My husband said he'd shoot himself in the head but that would leave a mess and would be traumatic for whoever finds him.
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Legal drugs become illegal when they are used improperly. All the drugs in question are controlled substances. Selling them on the streets is illegal. Lying to doctors to get them is illegal. Should these drugs, along with the "illegal" be "legalized"? Sold over the counter, with an age limit, of course, just like alcohol? It's a little bit surprising that modern medicine thinks it invented these pain killers: Classical Greek physicians either ground the whole plant or used opium extract. Galen lists its medical indications, noting how opium...
"...resists poison and venomous bites, cures chronic headache, vertigo, deafness, epilepsy, apoplexy, dimness of sight, loss of voice, asthma, coughs of all kinds, spitting of blood, tightness of breath, colic, the lilac poison, jaundice, hardness of the spleen stone, urinary complaints, fever, dropsies, leprosies, the trouble to which women are subject, melancholy and all pestilences."
Later authorities were scarcely less enthusiastic. Physicians commonly believed that the poppy plant was of divine origin; opium was variously called the Sacred Anchor Of Life, Milk Of Paradise, the Hand Of God, and Destroyer Of Grief. Thomas Sydenham, the 17th-century pioneer of English medicine, writes....
"Among the remedies which it has pleased Almighty God to give to man to relieve his sufferings, none is so universal and so efficacious as opium."
This may be overstating God's benevolence; but by relieving emotional as well as physical pain, opiates have been understandably popular. Robert Burton, scholar, priest and author of Anatomy of Melancholy, commended laudanum - essentially opium dissolved in wine - for those who were insomniacs...
"...by reason of their continual cares, fears, sorrows, dry brains [which] is a symptom that much crucifies melancholy men..."
Indeed opium was probably the world's first authentic antidepressant. Unlike other pain-relieving agents such as ethyl alcohol, ether or the barbiturates, opium doesn't impair sensory perception, the intellect or motor co-ordination. Pain ceases to be threatening, intrusive and distressing;
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I'm with you GT, just empty the bottle and sail away.
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But if you are suggesting that drug manufacturers are unaware of the actual use of their products then I challenge you to give me some evidence of that. Hmm... an demand to prove a negative. It will be interesting to see if Churlpat can pull that off.:-) Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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Where in the article do you see that it might include illegal drugs as well as prescription drugs?
I don't believe I have suggested anything at all about culpability, have I? But if you are suggesting that drug manufacturers are unaware of the actual use of their products then I challenge you to give me some evidence of that. With so many high profile cases of misuse of prescription drugs that would be a hard sell. Phil: My point was: nowhere in the article does it specifically state that the deaths enumerated were all for legal drugs. The fact that it didn't specifically make that exclusion gives me pause. I am becoming more and more cynical about articles like this because they MAY have gaping holes in them. May not, of course, but until I see a specific statement that 37,500 deaths a year were from legally prescribed drugs I will remain skeptical. The bit about the culpability of manufacturers and prescribers was in response to numan's screed about big Pharma. The persons responsible for misuse of drugs are those who misuse them, not the companies that manufacture them or the practitioners who write the scrips.
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Does this contrast actually reflect a huge and unusual surge in prescription drug deaths or fewer vehicle related deaths due to investment in auto safety?
The inclusion of airbags in automobiles coupled with seatbelt laws since the mid 90's was a huge factor in reducing highway fatalities. Highway fatalies are rare now compared to the pre-airbag/seatbelt days.
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Apparently denial is the strongest drug of all.
Life is a banquet -- and most poor suckers are starving to death -- Auntie Mame
You are born naked and everything else is drag - RuPaul
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It's the first, Bored.
Comparing Big Pharma's pushing of harmful drugs with vehicular fatalities doesn't even begin to give a proper sense of the depth of the problem.
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' The bit about the culpability of manufacturers and prescribers was in response to numan's screed about big Pharma. If we are to term what I wrote a "screed," then we will need a term representing a screed raised to a higher power to be used in referring to some of your postings, Churl. The persons responsible for misuse of drugs are those who misuse them, not the companies that manufacture them or the practitioners who write the scrips. Ah, the age-old tactic of apologists for con-men and evil-doers down through the ages ! Blame the victims, and coddle the criminals.
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