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We often expose politicians as liars but here's a topic to expose the lying liars in the media, after all this is the media forum.

Jason Linkins has a good colum on H...onic Inability to Use the Word Lie" .

Linkins makes some excellent points:

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People in the political media just doesn't take well to calling people liars, probably because if they did, they'd spend so much time doing that that people might get cynical or something! And anyway, a lot of these people will at some point want access to Mitt Romney, and if he's going to hold it against you for pointing out that he lies and is a liar, you may not get that ratings-goosing sit down with a major candidate for office.

The only solution I can see to resolving this conundrum is for all major media to agree to call a lie a lie, and a liar and liar. Of course excluded Fox and right wing websites and radio since their stock in trade ( i.e propaganda, it is a lie to call the trade journalism) is lying.

Then politicians couldn't punish the truth tellers by refusing to be interviewed on their shows.

Oh, poor Hal, living in fantasyland that the media will rediscover journalism.

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"journalists" have endured a long campaign of right wing attacks labeling them as liberal stooges. As a result, it seems that they are reticent to speak even observable truths. They cannot evaluate a statement in comparison with reality... they can only report this is what Mitt said, and this is what Obama said.... What does it mean? you the viewer will have to figure that out because we journalists are not allowed to say.


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"journalists" have endured a long campaign of right wing attacks labeling them as liberal stooges. As a result, it seems that they are reticent to speak even observable truths. They cannot evaluate a statement in comparison with reality... they can only report this is what Mitt said, and this is what Obama said.... What does it mean? you the viewer will have to figure that out because we journalists are not allowed to say.
It is not Journalist, but Corporate Media that decide what Media Whores say. If it bad for the bottom line, it will not pass the lips.


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"journalists" have endured a long campaign of right wing attacks labeling them as liberal stooges. As a result, it seems that they are reticent to speak even observable truths. They cannot evaluate a statement in comparison with reality... they can only report this is what Mitt said, and this is what Obama said.... What does it mean? you the viewer will have to figure that out because we journalists are not allowed to say.
It is not Journalist, but Corporate Media that decide what Media Whores say. If it bad for the bottom line, it will not pass the lips.

I have to agree. Greed, in the way of corporate media bowing to ratings and advertising dollars.


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We have all endured a long campaign of right wing attacks designed to cow the populace, including the media, turning legitimate disagreements on policy or approach into something ugly. They use terms like "anti-American," "socialist", "anti-religion", "anti-values", "anti-life" as weapons in the war on Americans. There is nothing that is valuable or decent that hasn't been impugned by the right. They are, in my opinion, the most anti-American, anti-values, anti-human force in the United States. The fact that most Republicans have been cowed into towing their lines, that so many of them even seem to believe their propaganda and reject reality, and that so many Americans are victims of their attacks makes me worry about the fate of our country. They are responsible for most of the ills that currently infect the country, its infrastructure, its politics and policies, and even its social structure. They are the bane of decent people everywhere. It is not as bad, yet, as it has been in banana republics, Asian or Arab totalitarian regimes, but we can see where the path leads.


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It is not Journalist, but Corporate Media that decide what Media Whores say. If it bad for the bottom line, it will not pass the lips.

And it is also true that, in the case of Fox news if it IS good for the bottom line, it Will be said....



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In Canada, there is a tradition of the media converging on the Prime Minister as he leaves Parliament to ask him questions. It is often referred to as the "media scrum."

Pierre Trudeau, bless his heart, always called it the "media scum."

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There's little we can do except as being willing to put our bodies on the line in protest as in Occupy Wall Street, and as citizen journalists and bloggers (and I don't underestimate that). We're not about to change the corporate stranglehold over most of the media.

Here's an idea for how to make our voices heard in a quiet way at campaign events where you aren't allowed to bring in signs, and if you try to unfold one you'll get thrown out. Just have a group willing to raise their hands like this:

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Did you hear what happened to Michelle Bachmann on Jimmy Kimmel? The band played a riff from the song, ""lyin' Ass Bitch" for her entro. Of course, she didn't get it, nor did Kimmel, but someone figured it out, and, naturally, NBC made them make apologies. Truth has no business on late night, it seems.


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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Just because a politician cannot be sued for telling bald-faced lies does not mean he should not be held accountable. I think that the deliberate deception needs to be flogged mercilessly: if he is willing to lie about something like this, is there no deception he is willing to foster against the American people? Hasn't he established his character with this ad?


A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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