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Severe Drought in North America

America is in a terrible state of depression at this time and the elections are doing nothing to improve matters. Let’s talk about a possible fix called

ARCHES ACROSS AMERICA

Global warming is touted as being the problem and we are all going to die as the result! B.S.!

This is nonsense and easily repaired. We managed to build major state freeways across America horizontally and vertically. Now look at Italy and see how they brought water across the country into Rome using the people of Italy, the building supplies from Mother Nature and a plan based on the brains of the people themselves using gravity. 2000 years ago they fixed their water problem and built a glorious Rome.

We know what part of America is thrown into drought conditions fairly regularly and we know where flooding is found during heavy rains or snow storms. Without redirecting the rivers and farm lands, and preparing for earthquakes, what would stop us from connecting the dots using gravity to the point where water basins could be filled?

We could start on a small scale with the potential of building the number of aqueducts and size of the basins. Many universities who are having a problem filling their classrooms could take on a federal program to design, build and maintain the aqueducts. Could NASA be of help get this program, started? Could it be under a Federal program like NASA? Would it be possible to allocate science programs within our high school curriculums? I can imagine training done within our high schools with permanent jobs following graduation.

Leaving plans up to the Congress is just another way to make more paper trash for the garbage people. We need another Boone Pickens or Ross Perot to start the program. They both know how to sell a new project. Never Donald Trump! Never Mitt Romney! Never anyone who is a Tea Party member. We need a focus on America with the “Arches” project first on the list.

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Pipe water across America ... not oil!


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Change the "o" into an "a" and it solves the problem


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Ail? (mebbee you shouldn't a drank both of them beers over on that other thread...)


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I think there's a Severe Draught In Somebody's Haid.


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So apparently there is no problem with water? Must we need another dust bowl before anyone can come up with a problem solver? I guess one simply has to see the results of Americans starving to death when their own crops die out. Has no one here read Steinbeck? If all you read was "East of Eden" did you miss the message of the value of shipping food in ice cars?

It's a sad situation when no one is interested in fixing a problem. Maybe it would be different if part of your family died of the lack of water destroying their farms and live stock. There was a terrible drought in Utah that killed many calves and baby sheep who died when their mother's milk dried up. We were all called in to help trying to give the newborns bottles of milk from any animal who was lactating. My grandmother's sister took on the babies and we helped her by carrying them to her while she was rocking on the front porch on Temple Square down from the temple in Salt Lake City. Our Aunt Harriet taught us how to talk to the fussy babies and explain how we loved them. I often talked to my own babies as loving little lambs. Of course, this would have made no difference to the guys here at Reader Rant. You are much more like Romney that you realize.



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Sandy, there is no "extra" water anywhere in the United States and aqueducts only work downhill. The LOWEST point in Utah is 2160 feet ABOVE sea level.
For you plan to work, sea water would need to be desalinated and lifted nearly a mile to get it inland to America's Breadbasket. The energy required to move enough water that far uphill would be staggering.
I think Pondering It All mentioned recently that the Colorado River could be made to flow backwards to bring seawater inland where it could then be desalinated for human use.
Why Desalinization Doesn't Work (yet)


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Okay, I felt a little bad for poking fun at you, Sandy, but your abundant willingness to freely insult the rest of us made me feel like it was alright once in a while.

Here's the deal - you haven't got a clue about the physical, environmental, and economic problems with your grand scheme. It's a fun, but naive, fantasy worthy of novelization by a great writer, such as Ms. Rand, perhaps.

I'd see the movie if it stars Wallace and Gromit.

PS - we are already doing a version of what you want and it is a mammoth fiasco. Ever heard of the "Water Wars" in the west? Try reading Cadillac Desert or some Wallace Stegner, or are those sort of books too far beneath your fine sensibilities?

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Try reading Cadillac Desert
I read that book awhile back. What an amazing story-the watering of the arid West. And the fact that mostly Mormons have headed the Bureau of Reclamation since it’s inception.

That made sense since it was the Mormons of Utah that pioneered the beginnings of small dams for irrigation in dry Utah when they were trying to make it suitable for farming in the late 1800’s.

And it also told of some of the fantastical proposed schemes for transporting water across the US to dry areas. An ocean bottom pipeline from Washington to SolCal, an aqueduct from BC to Southern Nevada and SoCal via Eastern Washington and Oregon. Wild stuff. Those come to mind.


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Don't eventhink about getting any water from the Great Lakes.

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July 8, 2008 The vast majority of the fresh surface water in the United States may soon be off-limits to thirsty parts of the nation and the world. The eight Great Lakes states are on the verge of sending to Congress an accord that would keep water from being diverted out of the Great Lakes watershed.

Last Thursday, Pennsylvania's Senate approved the compact and Gov. Ed Rendell has said he plans to sign on, making it the final state to approve the agreement.

The five Great Lakes — Superior, Huron, Michigan, Erie and Ontario — contain about 90 percent of the fresh surface water in the U.S. and about one-fifth of the entire world's supply. The Great Lakes Water Compact aims to protect the lakes from large-scale water diversions.

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The U.S. Senate passed the compact on August 1, 2008, and the U.S. House of Representatives followed on September 23, 2008. President George W. Bush signed it on October 3, 2008. The compact became state and federal law on December 8, 2008.[3]




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