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Does Truth Have A Future In America?[/b]

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There is another constraint on revealing truth. The human capital of people with inside knowledge is destroyed if they speak out. Position, contacts, invitations, income, and social life are all forfeited when an insider becomes a dissenter or a truth-teller. [b]Only the extremely naive can believe that governments cannot keep conspiracies a secret, “because someone would talk.” No one talks, because talking harms the personal interests and human capital of the insider, and seldom does any good....

Truth-tellers are inconvenient. Major General Antonio Taguba was given the assignment of conducting the official inquiry into the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse. Instead of covering up the incidents as he was expected to do for his third star, he produced a professional and truthful report. It was Taguba’s career that was terminated, not the careers of those responsible for the illegal torture of prisoners. Gen. Taguba was instructed to resign by Gen. Richard Cody, the Vice-Chief of Staff of the Army. When told that he was going to be investigated, Taguba said, “I’d been in the Army 32 years by then, and it was the first time that I thought I was in the Mafia.”
Some people just can't see the obvious. · · wink

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I'm sure your title question is of the rhetorical kind. wink The answer is obviously a resounding NO!
The reason is: the country believes its own lies. Critical thinking is anti-American (and yet they criticize the Muslims) and knowledge is anti John Wayne. 50% of the nation thinks that morons have a right to an opinion, no matter how absurd or imbecilic that opinion might be. Some 57% - when polled - didn't know what Roe v Wade was (some actually thought it was a boxing match).
Truth is a stranger to this land.


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Do battery-chickens know the purpose of their lives, or how the farmer thinks ?

Do Americans know how they are manipulated, or how their rulers think ?

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morons have a right to an opinion, no matter how absurd or imbecilic that opinion might be


I'm one of those who do believe that, but I also believe that it is an ethical duty of the non-morons to help educate the morons when we can and to ignore the absurd and imbecilic when we make important decisions.

For example, I care not at all that a large number of people believe that Professional Wrestling is a sport, and that certain of the performers are "good" or "evil" and therefore deserving of their support or opposition.

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I'm one of those who do believe that...
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this is impossible when they are running the country wink


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I'm one of those who do believe that...
Aye, I appreciate your noble sentiment but...
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...ignore the absurd and imbecilic when we make important decisions
this is impossible when they are running the country wink
Interesting... but can you be more specific?


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Sandy Hook Promise


Last night (1/14/13) The Rachel Maddow Show featured a couple (Mr. and Mrs. David Wheeler) who lost their youngest son (Ben) to the young man who gunned down the First Grade Students of Sandy Hook Elementary School.

The question “What is Worth Doing?” became a question of the moment being asked the morning of the massacre. It is a simple question that should be asked of every American who became aware of what happened that morning in Connecticut.

Immediately, the members of the “Right” began setting off fireworks that they would not ever give up their guns for any reason. Obviously any effort to remove ammunition would be a threat to the 2nd Amendment too.

It would be unthinkable to simply push this massacre under the table to pacify members of the religious right to take away their symbols of strength that they have chosen to replace the cross with assault weapons.

In the last dozen years The Republican National Committee chose to rewrite their platform with an agenda that relied on the Christian Faith to direct the rules of asking all Republicans to follow the New Testament as their party agenda. I questioned these new rules and asked the Arizona State Senator if I had to be a Christian to be a Republican and he said “yes.”

No wonder the GOP is losing members. I joined the party in 1952 and left the party in 2000 when the Party left me.

Last night during the Rachel Maddow Show, I made a commitment called “The Sandy Hook Promise” to work on the concept of banning assault weapons and their ammunition along with other actions that will put an end to the massacre of our babies. I will wear a green ribbon to show my affiliation with this Sandy Hook Promise.

When I hear anyone questioning my promise I will ask “What is worth doing?”


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I'm one of those who do believe that...
Aye, I appreciate your noble sentiment but...
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...ignore the absurd and imbecilic when we make important decisions
this is impossible when they are running the country wink
Interesting... but can you be more specific?

The Senate, The House, Scalia, Thomas, G.W. Bush, Rumsfeld, Rove, Wolfowitz...
and the list goes on.


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Cool, I didn't know that it was allowed to do a broadbrush proof (using dated data - bet that could be a new word, data'd) to support a broadbrush hypothesis.

Guess that's why I'm not in the biz of proving things. Hmm


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Cool, I didn't know that it was allowed to do a broadbrush proof (using dated data - bet that could be a new word, data'd) to support a broadbrush hypothesis.

Guess that's why I'm not in the biz of proving things. Hmm

Ah, but you have proved yourself to be... gobsmacked

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