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Jill Stein should drop out, and make an endorsement deal in exchange for Sec of Health & Human Welfare on Hillary's cabinet... that would be the highest placed Green Party member in their history... She could get a lot of her agenda moved thru...

Or, she could hope for the Presidential Lottery Ticket, and have NOTHING when she loses on November 8th, and goes back into hibernation around December 1st...


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Well, I agree with you that Jill Stein should drop out. Clinton doesn't need, or probably even want, her endorsement.


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Suppressing "other" political positions is exactly what the status quo wants. It attempts to present the world in a binary fashion that is NOT REAL and certainly does not represent the population. All it does is drive the polarization and divisiveness that occludes ideas that have value and alienates large factions of the populace.
If your candidate has such superior ideas then the INCLUSION of other parties should not be a problem. However, when there are high levels of rejection of said candidate, then it offers an alternative. The notion that there are only two voices in the entire political spectrum is farcical and fascist at its root.
I draw your attention to yesterday's election in Brazil. There are often 7 or 8 candidates that cover a pretty wide range of political thought. The elections are direct. If any candidate gets more than 50% of the vote they win. If not, there is a run off between the two with the highest number of votes. All candidates get free TV time. The influence of money in the campaign process is not eliminated but it is mitigated to a certain extent.
Not rocket science. Just common sense.
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Originally Posted by Ezekiel
I draw your attention to yesterday's election in Brazil. There are often 7 or 8 candidates that cover a pretty wide range of political thought. The elections are direct. If any candidate gets more than 50% of the vote they win. If not, there is a run off between the two with the highest number of votes. All candidates get free TV time.

Exactly the sort of thing we do NOT HAVE in our electoral process.
We can have that discussion, and I would encourage everyone to vote FOR restructuring our system to look more like that.

Unfortunately our system looks nothing like that and doesn't even remotely work that way.

PS: How long before Stein's campaign withers down to an 800 number and a P.O. Box? Don't the Greens go into hibernation soon?





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If Jill Stein and the Green Party want to become relevant the place to start is in Congress. She has gained some recognition in her doomed presidential runs and if she hopes to actually make changes then a run for the House of Representatives(or her state legislature) would be a far better place for her to start. If indeed she is actually dedicated to governing and wants a political career.


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Originally Posted by Greger
If Jill Stein and the Green Party want to become relevant the place to start is in Congress. She has gained some recognition in her doomed presidential runs and if she hopes to actually make changes then a run for the House of Representatives(or her state legislature) would be a far better place for her to start. If indeed she is actually dedicated to governing and wants a political career.

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A rolling smiley face doesn't really give me much to go on.

I would vote in a heartbeat for any down ballot Green Party candidate and I expect many others would as well. Stein, in her presidential bid, is tilting at windmills at best, even the publicity isn't really good for the fledgling party.


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Laughing because I think the point of her candidacy is not to win an election. It is to have the voices of people on the REAL left of the spectrum heard by a wider audience. This is far from new. I remember Dick Gregory running for President in the 60s. If nothing else, it gets the message out and the more support they get, the more the "official" candidates may listen. Sorta like Bernie.
I think the Greens need a better organization in order to constitute a TRUE 3rd party. If they did I would certainly be willing to consider them on any ballot.
My post was more to point out what I think is wrong with the electoral process.


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I'm afraid Jill doesn't get taken seriously though. I'd rather see them making more of show locally where they might actually win some elections.


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There could be a district where she could win a US Representative seat. Bernie did it for years, as a Socialist, and he got their ideas out there and into the Congressional record. Just look at all the influence he had in the Clinton platform! Her Presidential runs accomplish nothing.

I think her voice and Green platform have some value, and I urge her to find that district, move there, and run. Maybe she will have to do it like Bernie and run as a Democrat, but still her voice could be heard.

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