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A place for all t0 discuss rules of civility
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Posted by NWP but on a thread that appears to be closed. We ARE in uncharted waters, here. Donald Trump is such a reprehensible figure and his "movement" so inherently dangerous to the United States that it begs stern commentary.
I think, though, that one of the things that RR has always stood for is a higher standard for criticism. The rule against nicknames, and disparaging remarks has been a foundation for that standard. While it is imperative to not treat Trump as "Normal" - he most assuredly is NOT - there is still room to uphold that standard and maintain constant criticism of the man, his administration, and his policies. I admit I am having a very difficult time keeping from yielding to the urge to name him the buffoon that he is.
I do think, however, that it is imperative to get ahead of this as a community so that it does not get out of hand. We need to be up front about where we are going with this, and why. We have an obligation to our community to keep all viewpoints as accessible as possible within our standards. This is a difficult task.
My sense is that maintaining our current rules is more important than the rhetorical satisfaction of naming Trump what he is. I think we can lead the way as well by considering how we broach the subject.
Those are two cents to get the discussion going. These are my preliminary thoughts. I'm open, as always, to persuasion.
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********************************************************* Respect for Elective Offices Elected Officials, both past and present, are referred to by name, not by nickname or by verbal/visual insulting reference. Feel free to criticize an elected official's actions, but don't attack the person. Address what the person did, not what the person "is". ********************************************************** I have no issue with this rule even in regards to President Elect Trump. Trump "is" a businessman, not a politician. A salesman, not a statesman. Whether he "is" a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, mysogynist I don't really know. He ran as a Republican and to me that is pretty much synonymous with all those other isms. Overall, I think GOP policies pretty much support my assumption on this. I'm not one for cutesy nicknames or sophomoric insults. Those are best avoided across the board anyway as it just demeans anyone who stoops to this level of discourse. Donald Trump "is" a plutocrat. plu·to·crat
a person whose power derives from their wealth.
synonyms: rich person, magnate, millionaire, billionaire, multimillionaire Donald Trump "is" a fascist. fas·cist
an advocate or follower of fascism.
synonyms: authoritarian, totalitarian, autocrat, extreme right-winger, rightist Donald Trump "is" unqualified. A businessman has no inherent skill, training, or knowledge in dealing with trading partners who are liable to start a world war if a deal goes sour for them. Perhaps the backlash from the Taiwan phone call was a wake up call for him. Perhaps not. So largely our conflict is in definitions as far as what Donald "is" and what we are allowed to call him and remain within the guidelines. Generally speaking, I'm not going to attack the man until he actually f*cks something up. In fact, being a sportsman and all, I intend to watch this game with glee. Because I already know the outcome and if there's anything President Elect Donald J. Trump hates it's failure. And Donald Trump "is" going to fail spectacularly as a president. I think Phil took exception of my posting an image of Donald Trump as the Wizard of Oz with Vladimir Putin depicted as the man behind the curtain. I considered this political satire, not an attack on the person. If indeed this is against the guidelines I will be happy to delete it and avoid posting satire of any sort in the future. But if we've become such a Milquetoast forum where the likes of Andy Borowitz are too radical for our pages then maybe it's best the Republicans won because they at least retain the courage of their convictions.
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Agree that we must post under the Reader Rant guidelines; however, the whole purpose of the First Amendment is the ability to say and write political decent. There's a reason why Freedom to criticize our government is the First Amendment.
While elected by a minority of American voters, Trump is not an official government employee until noon on January 20th 2017.
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Greger and others, I posed this question not because of your or other posts in specific. A number of Ranters raised the issue of whether Donald Trump either is excluded from prior rules or should be so.
I simply wanted to give vent to ideas.
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Agree that we must post under the Reader Rant guidelines; however, the whole purpose of the First Amendment is the ability to say and write political decent. There's a reason why Freedom to criticize our government is the First Amendment.
While elected by a minority of American voters, Trump is not an official government employee until noon on January 20th 2017. This site is not bound by Constitutional law because this is not a public forum.
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not sure Constitutionality covers this site since it is not part of any government. It is however a private site which does have rules as opposed to public sites such as discus which do not.
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I have written that Trump is a narcissist, a sociopath, and a fascist.
I think that a large majority of psychologists would agree that if Trump were tested, he would be clinically classified as a narcissist and a sociopath.
His entire political career, short as it is, fits any reasonable definition of a fascist movement.
Admittedly, most people would call these terms pejorative, but if they are used, without superfluous insults, as indicating an objective reality, I do not see that they violate the rules of this forum.
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Agree that we must post under the Reader Rant guidelines; however, the whole purpose of the First Amendment is the ability to say and write political decent. There's a reason why Freedom to criticize our government is the First Amendment.
While elected by a minority of American voters, Trump is not an official government employee until noon on January 20th 2017. This site is not bound by Constitutional law because this is not a public forum. Nobody believes that we are legally bound by constitutional law. The Constitution was simply brought up as a guideline, and maybe as an example of how some would like to express dissent. Of COURSE it is Doug's circus and we're just the hired help. Everyone gets that.
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