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PIA ... clearly I was a bit hyperbolic as it is well known there are several states which could easily compete in a global market place and not devolve into some kind of conservative fascist dream.
ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty
America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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one can only come to the conclusion this is purely, 100% a very partisan battle. And the argument can be made that practically every facet of our government has been reduced to purely 100% very partisan battles. Practically every facet of our lives. I'm down with the revolution, bring out the torches and pitchforks! As long as my check shows up each month we're all good. No one despises Donald Trump and the Republican Party more than I do. But still, I don't consider myself a "partisan". I've got no particular love for Democrats and I don't find this Ukraine thing to be a big deal. It's a Benghazi Her Emails thing, Lock Her Up! But the Democratic Base was screaming for it. So here we go, even though no laws were demonstrably broken as far as the jury is concerned they press on with their case. This is Donald Trump, the third generation leader of a white-collar criminal family. He is probably guilty of innumerable crimes that would disqualify him from the presidency. But just as Donald Trump has proven himself to be ruthless in digging up dirt on his opponents he also covers up his own dirt completely. Donald Trump is a financial criminal and no one will ever be able to prove it. He's where he is because he's good at what he does. Perhaps partisan is the wrong word. I'm not sure. We do have one party who declared war on Trump, basically from the day after the election. The other party has retaliated to keep him. So this is a war between major parties. The results are preordained. Trump stays. But I was curious enough to take a look back at Nixon and the numbers when impeachment hearings began in the House back in 1974. I'm taking formal impeachment hearings, not the Watergate committee. Nixon - Republicans 19% for, 70% against. Trump 9% for, 88% against. Nixon - Democrats 58% for, 27% against, Trump 87% for, 8% against. Nixon - Independents 43% for, 42% against, Trump 44% for, 45% against Independents are almost identical for both Nixon and Trump. It's the major parties where the differences lie. A 30 point difference among Democrats. Probably due to the era of our politics. We weren't as polarized or as partisan back in 1974 as we are today. Certainly not as ideological crazed. Partisanship, my party right or wrong has definitely grown immensely since 1974. There also wasn't the hate of each party for the other either.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I think partisan is the right word.
Donald Trump chose to rule as a partisan. Focusing entirely on the desires of his partisan base. In theory, a president leads the entire nation, Trump chose to lead only Republicans. Every rally, speech, policy, decision, statement or tweet is designed to anger his enemies...Democrats.
He has no other enemies in the world. He has literally declared war on half of America. So yes...there's going to be a bit of a partisan backlash.
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I'm partisan as hell. Right now, it makes sense to be partisan.
What can we do to help you stop screaming?
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I fully understand we have entered the era of polarization and ultra high partisanship. Loyalty to party, for the good of the party, not the nation or the country.
I remember a time when it wasn't this way. Perhaps I have grown too darn old. I'm totally ashamed for those who put party first and foremost. We've forgotten what it means to be an American.
Trump be damned, democrats and republicans be damned. I have finally given up on the whole thing. You all do whatever you want to the country. what a waste.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I fully understand we have entered the era of polarization and ultra high partisanship. Loyalty to party, for the good of the party, not the nation or the country.
I remember a time when it wasn't this way. Perhaps I have grown too darn old. I'm totally ashamed for those who put party first and foremost. We've forgotten what it means to be an American.
Trump be damned, democrats and republicans be damned. I have finally given up on the whole thing. You all do whatever you want to the country. what a waste. This state of affairs that we're finding ourselves struggling with is unprecedented to say the least. I, as you seem to be, have thrown my hands up in the air (for today anyway) and damn everyone of each party and, for better or worse, let the chips fall where they seem to be destined to fall. I realize, as many others do, that our government is under control of the Kremlin. The right has made the choice to keep their blinders on. Although they may understand what has happened yet reject these dire facts in favor of partisan politics, leaves little choice but to relinquish our democracy to the more influential forces of Russia which are guiding the compass of our democratic government. There's little that will impeach Trump at this point and unless someone like John Bolton or Mike Pompeo suddenly become true patriots rather than a book-pusher, or ambitious career seeker, we'll be looking at the reelection of the worst president in U.S.history. In that case, 2021 will signal a whole new beginning for this country. We should all be able to judge from the past what the future will hold for this country. Personally, I have no hope that our democracy will survive for much longer.
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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It's the Despair Quotient! Carpal Tunnel
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Should I ask "craig234" to join the Rant? Seems he's totally on topic with this post on DP. It's odd how people can look at corruption in plain sight and not recognize it.
Here's a hint: when 'free' isn't 'free'.
Here's what much of the public thinks is happening with Rudy Giuliani and trump: trump has hired Rudy as his personal attorney, and a media front-man; Rudy has been found to employ two suspicious American immigrants linked to Ukraine, who have been charged with crimes.
What they don't realize, or appreciate, and has been little focused on by the media: the actual situation is that trump pays nothing to Rudy, who is his lawyer for 'free', and Rudy has paid nothing to the two Ukranians who 'work for him' - one of the Ukranians has paid Rudy at least $500,000.
Now, what does all that suggest about what's going on? Who's working for whom and why? And this is the US president we're talking about in this mess.
The same guy who chose a campaign manager for president who offered to work for "free", who was then convicted of being an unregistered agent for the Putin-supported communist regime in Ukraine at the time. Manafort offered to work for "free" to gain influence to help the Russian oligarch he owed tens of millions of dollars to...
'Free' is often very expensive.
trump works for 'free' not taking a salary - as he takes millions in emoluments, in tax dollars from stays at his properties (he just hit 100 visits to Maralago), and tax cuts for wealthy taxpayers.
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He seems a reasonable poster. Like Perotista, not a flame-thrower, which is a style I prefer. I can get snide (when it seems warranted), but I can't keep it up. I make as much fun of myself as I do of others, which I think is healthy. People like that seem to make the best Ranters.
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I'm partisan as hell. Right now, it makes sense to be partisan. I have been accused of being a "partisan" - which I personally find incredibly amusing - but I confess to having strong opinions. I don't see that as the same thing at all. There are things that I am, truly, a partisan* about: civil liberties, social justice, equality, fairness, the Constitution, good government... it's a long list. But I'm not an uncritical supporter of a party, so not a partisan in that manner. I am, however, an extremely stern critic of the Republican party and of extremism in nearly any form. The one thing I don't tolerate is intolerance. I won't put up with it. * "a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person."
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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The one thing I don't tolerate is intolerance. So I had to wonder if my intolerance of intolerance makes it tolerate of me to be intolerant? Reminds me of sugar-plums dancing in my brain ... I think I'll try to figure out when bribery is not bribery but something perfect
ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty
America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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