Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Politics In General libertarians = right wing anarchists

Your license plate is an easily readable and trackable form of of ID, there's no flying under the radar with the new police state. Them cool computer screens the LEOs have nowadays puts your life history at their fingertips. Don't fret about them inner fascists no more, the outer fascists are in control.

Result? A better behaved and more civilized society. What's so bad about that?

BTW, characterizing one's conscience as the 'inner fascist' might signal the need for some counseling.

Oh my, Schlack! Surely you realize that "outer" fascism is nothing more than a manifestation resulting from when a number of us fail to maintain control over our inner fascist? You do realize that we all have an "inner fascist", don't you?

I mean, have you ever seen that "River Dance" stuff?;-)
Yours,
Issodhos

River Dance would be an expression of the "Inner Kitschist" more than anything else.

amazing how you can descibe an attribute to every single human, every individual, with only having an engagement with a minute fraction of the 6 billion or so. Ihats not very individualist of you! Its a very contradictory belief for you to have (for belief it is as its not based on personal experience of all 6 billion people's inner fascist).

its one of many.

or instance how would one effect and individualist society without co-ercing those that dont want to be part of it? Wouldnt one then, by the very actions of creating the individualist state be compromising the very foundation of individualist belief?

even if an individualist society were created, im intrigued as to how it would work.

could you please enlighten us on how the mechanics of such a society would work, for instance in the bulding of roads, hospitals, and other infrastructure. How would issues be dealt with by those with an interest but are outside the sacred financial transaction (hypo alert e.g. a waste incinerator being built in an area that the prospective neighboiurs object to).

i just cant see how the mechanics of such a society would work, perhaps its my inner fascist preventing me from thinking the correct way

Oh, my goodness, Schlack! It's an absolute ode to fascism! All that conformity, uniform dress, movement in unison, arms welded to their sides, drums and fife, eyes glazed -- all the while jumping and thumping in response to the one freely prancing, unrestricted leader. It's positively a goose-step put to music!;-)


Sigh. Let me explain it once again -- and I will continue to do so as long as need be. Individualism is a foundational POLITICAL philosophy that pertains to the relationship between the individual and the state (or society if you prefer). This philosophy, as opposed to the reactionary political philosophy of collectivism, holds that the function of the state is to secure and safeguard the Rights of the Individual -- Rights which cannot be subordinated to the interests of the state or for the professed benefit of society.


Sigh. Noted.:-(


Quite simple, really. Those who prefer to voluntarilly gather together with other like-minded individuals in a communal arrangement would be perfectly free to do so. Others uninterested in such an arrangement would hopefully wish them to live long, prosper, and be happy.


I would think that a creative people loosed from governmental and arthritic societal constrant and oppression would find numerous ways of accomplishing what may be considered necessary. Some hospitals would probably function like any other business, others would be a charitable model, and others may even be a communal model. What difference does it make as long as individuals are allowed to voluntarilly chose in which to be a participant or customer? As to major roads, bridges, and such, I imagine those would be considered part of a national defense grid which is one of the few other responsibilities of a limited government. But, who knows what people will work out. A very, very common mistake made by many is to think that there would be no cooperation in a libertarian natural Rights influenced society, but voluntary cooperation is the keystone to libertarianism and would surely far surpass what passes for cooperation in the old reactionary political collectivist model. Part of being free is not always knowing the answer before first experimenting.


Property rights. Anyone building a waste incinerator in such a way as to negatively impact the property Rights of surrounding landowers or leasehold owners, would be held accountable for doing so and would have to make restitution or cease the infringement (whichever the surrounding landowner(s) chose). Remember, in a libertarian society one cannot agress against the Rights of another without consequence.


No, it is just that the reactionary model you and many others support is based on -- indeed it requires -- the use of legitimized government violence which is used to control and oppress the recalcitrant types. That has been the model for millinnia.:-)
Yours,
Issodhos

And how would these "recalcitrants" be handled in your brave new world?

i dont know and i have no answers.

trust to hope?

it will all work out?

i wonder can you see the difficulty in following such a philosphy. a buiness was run along the same lines, it would fold quite quickly unless extrememely lucky.

can you please provide something more concrete?


as to Riverdance, funny that, its a private company made up of voluntary individuals, with a common interest and erm "talent" who come together to perform and sell that product. oh dear no, its an ode to commercialism. as i said at the start of this thread its funny how one can get to the same place from differing perspectives!

and thank you for reducing a cultural dance that has been in existence for hundreds of years before fascism was even thought of to a modern political philosphy. Thats some fine police woth there, Lou! i suppose if you look hard enough you will see fascism everywhere, whether it exists or not.

If i were a nationalist, Or an irish dancer, i could take offense, but after all its riverdance and kitschily irrelevant (and quite frankly embarrasing)

I suspect it would be rather difficult to be a political recalcitrant in a libertarian oriented society in which the Right of individuals to be free to voluntarily associate with like-minded individuals in forming a community of their choosing is recognized and safe-guarded. Of course, all individuals would still be subject to the sam laws of the land -- laws based on natural Rights in a libertarian oriented society. If you have a specific example in mind, let's take a stab at it.

By the way, your use of Huxley's collectivist-based utopia as a comparison to it's exact opposite -- a libertarian oriented society -- is a bit misleading.

Oh, and another thing that seems to be beyond the grasp of some -- not necessarilly you -- is that there is always a "trade off". And regardless of the desire to do so, one truely cannot both continue to keep one's cake and also consume it.;-)
Yours,
Issodhos

Unfortunately, Schlack, I am still suffering from the lingering effects of a turkey-induced coma and will have to postpone addressing your concerns until my neural network recovers from our national sensate-numbing annual consumptive interlude. Burp.:-)
With apologies,
Issodhos

Issodos, You never mentioned that these recalcitrant types were of the political variety. I merely assumed you meant the blackguards and scofflaws who occasionally attempt to illegally direct the flow of wealth in their own direction. So the laws of the land would remain the same and continue to protect you and yours. As near as I can tell "the Right of individuals to be free to voluntarily associate with like-minded individuals in forming a community of their choosing"
is already an existing right. So what exactly is it you would change?