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I don't think it is so much a matter of what you owe to others. It's really about where you want to live:
In hell, people sit around great tables laden with big bowls of delicious hot stew, starving to death because they must eat with long-handled spoons and cannot manage to get the spoons to their mouths. Heaven looks just the same: same table, same food, same spoons. But in heaven, the people use the long-handled spoons to feed one another...
(from The Bean Tree by B. Kingsolver)
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I don't think it is so much a matter of what you owe to others. It's really about where you want to live:
In hell, people sit around great tables laden with big bowls of delicious hot stew, starving to death because they must eat with long-handled spoons and cannot manage to get the spoons to their mouths. Heaven looks just the same: same table, same food, same spoons. But in heaven, the people use the long-handled spoons to feed one another...
(from The Bean Tree by B. Kingsolver) Yes... Thanks PIA
"Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain."
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...this thread was intended to be more abstract! We Ranters would expect no less from you Schlacky ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/icon_biggrin.gif) ...apologies for the self thread drifting. Again, we'd expect no less from you Schlack!! ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/thumbs.gif)
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Since this phrase was used by issodhos on another thread, it seems to me that he epitomizes the fundamental issue. As i understand it, some of us come from the basic proposition that we are individuals and as such have inalienable rights and are free to exercise them as we see fit.
Others, or at least I, am of the view that human beings are, like most other primates, communal animals dependent upon and therefore responsible to the pack to which we belong. The way in which humans have evolved has resulted in a radical alteration in what constitutes a "pack." All of my life I have seen the actions of the "pack", Phil. Everyday I see the actions of the "pack" as I walk down the street, when I turn on the telly, when I listen the radio. And it is not new -- this "pack". I can open a history book and find the bloody paw prints of the "pack" tracking down through time right up to the present. I think I have had enough of the "pack" Phil. I think I want to try something else -- something new to the world. Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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Issodhos, When you walk the streets, turn on the telly, listen to the radio you do indeed see the pack in action. Mostly doing things to survive and to help their friends and family survive, doing things also to help the world at large. If one were to look at all the actions of the pack collectively and over the centuries I think you will find more good than evil. History books are written by the victors and invariably paint the losers as evil. Those bloody paw prints you see are accompanied by many many more you simply don't see because there is no blood nor avarice to make them as clear. Removing yourself from society at large and claiming no kin nor debt to your race is nothing new, self centered and greedy people have always existed and always will. You may set yourself above me and the rest of humanity, you may set yourself apart. This is nothing new, this is nothing commendable.
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Greger be sayin' Removing yourself from society at large and claiming no kin nor debt to your race is nothing new, self centered and greedy people have always existed and always will. You may set yourself above me and the rest of humanity, you may set yourself apart. This is nothing new, this is nothing commendable. Greger hates monks and hermits?
"I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct." J. Coleman (Founder of the Weather Channel poo-poos Globwarm)
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Greger hates monks and hermits? Well, he should stay away from here as both are endemic! TAT
There's nothing wrong with thinking Except that it's lonesome work sevil regit
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Greger says hermits and monks are nothing new nor are their aims necessarily commendable. When hermits and monks say we should all be hermits and monks and hoard our belongings and give it not to the poor and needy then Greger begins to hate hermits and monks.
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Seems like Nationalization of the munks and hairmits needs to be a priority of an enlightened collectivist govt. They are choosing renunciation, so I think we should help them accomplish it. Though I support a subsidy on lice infested hair shirts... and other odd and ends. TAT
There's nothing wrong with thinking Except that it's lonesome work sevil regit
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nice..... 
"Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain."
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