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Good point... although I have never been clear on why one would spend so mouch energy trying to change the world if you believe that the future of the world is entirely fortold in the bible.
In the case of the "End Times" Christians the "changes" mean inciting world war to hasten the return of Jesus: Just as foretold in Left Behind Book of Revelations.

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Originally Posted by Philadelphia Steve
In the case of the "End Times" Christians the "changes" mean inciting world war to hasten the return of Jesus: Just as foretold in Left Behind Book of Revelations.
I guess if one can hasten the return of Jesus, one could also delay the return of Jesus. And if enough people concentrated on the problem, we could even entirely stop the return of Jesus. Which would imply that God is not God and has no clue what will happen. That is an interesting theology they have.


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Originally Posted by Ardy
Originally Posted by Philadelphia Steve
In the case of the "End Times" Christians the "changes" mean inciting world war to hasten the return of Jesus: Just as foretold in Left Behind Book of Revelations.
I guess if one can hasten the return of Jesus, one could also delay the return of Jesus. And if enough people concentrated on the problem, we could even entirely stop the return of Jesus. Which would imply that God is not God and has no clue what will happen. That is an interesting theology they have.
According to Southern Baptists, Israel must exist for Jesus' return. Perhaps the Muslims don't want Jesus' return?



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Y'know it's a funny thing but most Southerners don't really like Southern Baptists that much.


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Recently a PBS show Globe Trekker, aired an episode on The Deep South. In it, a southern baptist minister in Georgia was giving a 5 hr sermon which included rattle snakes.

The idea was, that if the snake didn't bite you, God was "protecting" you from harm.

The members were all in a fervor and they were shaking and their eyes rolling into the back of their heads...

Strange.


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At least it makes more sense than some of the old witch-hunting tests -- I believe at one point that a women held underwater who drowned was considered innocent, while a woman who survived had clearly used supernatural powers.

Of course then they had to let her dry out before they burnt her at the stake (yes, I know, that wasn't as common as we're led to believe.)


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Originally Posted by california rick
Recently a PBS show Globe Trekker, aired an episode on The Deep South. In it, a southern baptist minister in Georgia was giving a 5 hr sermon which included rattle snakes.

The idea was, that if the snake didn't bite you, God was "protecting" you from harm.

The members were all in a fervor and they were shaking and their eyes rolling into the back of their heads...

Strange.
Are you certain this was a Southern Baptist church, Rick? Southern Baptists eschew this type worship and generally their doctrine doesn't recognize it. It is a practice that is found in a handful of charismatic Pentecostal churches in the rural northern mountains of Georgia, in Appilachia, Tennesse and a few spots in Arkansas. These snake churches are illegal in some cases as well. When studying religion at university I did a research paper on these churches and interviewed a journalist who authored a book about such churches, having spent a great deal of time with them in Tennessee. She said they receive light bites, administering low doses of venom and over time build an imunity to the venom. They also do this with arsenic.


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At least it makes more sense than some of the old witch-hunting tests -- I believe at one point that a women held underwater who drowned was considered innocent, while a woman who survived had clearly used supernatural powers.

Of course then they had to let her dry out before they burnt her at the stake (yes, I know, that wasn't as common as we're led to believe.)
More common than it should have been, although more often for "heresy" than witchcraft. Burning at the stake. Only my strong belief in humanity prevents me from recommending it for certain modern miscreants, however.


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Are you certain this was a Southern Baptist church, Rick?
I think I have the episode still on TiVo. If so, I'll review the show and make any corrections should there need to be.

Thanks for the heads-up 2wins!


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Ok...

I have reviewed that portion of Glove Trekker again.

Traveler, Ian Wright of Globe Trekker narrates:

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Next, we are on our way to the Baptist town of Cartersville, Georgia.

The southern states are also known as the Bible Belt. They are conservative, fundamentalists, and dominated by Southern Baptists. Here, God has a real personal presence in many peoples lives.

This is also snake country, and some people believe that the snake is the embodiment of the devil. So, if you master the power of the snake, you can therefore master the power of the devil.


**Shows scenes inside a church in Cartersville, Georgia**

Traveler, Ian Wright:

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Visitors are allowed to attend services, but be warned, they can last up to five hours and they can be hard to follow.

As the atmosphere intensifies and the presence of God is felt, Reverend Carl Porter and the congregation begin to tease the rattlers - they even drink from a jar filled with pure snake venom.

Faith in God is put to the ultimate test. The belief is: If God is truly in you, the snake won't bite.


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