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Were they "libertarian" arguments or distorted free market arguments, Schlack? And why would any intelligent person put any stock in anti-establishment comments made by a consumate establishment insider? Kinda stupid, wot?;-) allow me to clarify - again. this thread is not about libertarianism, its about the use of libertarian arguements, quite a different thing. and i see from the above that were actually in agreement.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
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this thread is not about libertarianism, its about the use of libertarian augments, quite a different thing. and i see from the above that were actually in agreement. In my experience, people are adept at self serving rationalization. This includes everyone: Liberals, conservatives libertarians, monarchists, communists, Evangelical Christians, Islamists, and people colored black, white, yellow, green and blue. Do you think that Libertarians are uniquely self serving in their rhetoric?
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
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I would say "unabashedly", Ardy. The rest of us pretend to be concerned about others. (satire gremlin)
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
(Native American prayer)
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While not intrinsically altruistic, Libertarian principles, one might argue, would benefit everyone in a society which embraced them. Such principles could be characterized as a kind of self-serving altruism, to distinguish it from the kind of altruism that was exhibited by Lenny Skutnik so long ago. "I remember when we first got down to the riverbank, there was no rescue equipment. It was very quiet -- that eerie quiet when it snows," Skutnik recalled this week. "And out of the quiet, this woman was yelling for help: 'Will somebody please help?' "
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While not intrinsically altruistic, Libertarian principles, one might argue, would benefit everyone in a society which embraced them. Yes, very much like the altruism of communism and fascism which likewise propose that these arrangements are in the self interests of the societies that adopt them as a model of governance. The "issue" that many of us have with libertarianism, communism and fascism is that we are not convinced that these simplistic ideologies will produce the utopias they imagine.
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this thread is not about libertarianism, its about the use of libertarian augments, quite a different thing. and i see from the above that were actually in agreement. In my experience, people are adept at self serving rationalization. This includes everyone: Liberals, conservatives libertarians, monarchists, communists, Evangelical Christians, Islamists, and people colored black, white, yellow, green and blue. Do you think that Libertarians are uniquely self serving in their rhetoric? i dont think im being quite clear. I dont think the man is a libertarian at all. He has however used the idealogy and arguments of libertarianism, He was i believe most vocal about them, and was willing to drop them as soon as the cold economic waters shrivelled his pair.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
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p.s. Philly, decide if you are referring to the Libertarian Party (capitalized) or libertarian philosophy (uncapitalized) and it will be easier to understand what you are referring to.;-) Party. They have been around long enough to know they are just an extension of the Republican Party, as far as election voting is concerned. Individuals who call themselves Libertarians are mainly just kidding themselves that they will vote "independently", at least until they go into the voting booth and reliably pull the Republican leverl, 90% of the time.
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