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Um... none? I feel like I am playing "six degrees of separation"...
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but yet Ayers is "morally responsible" for Shroeder's death
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
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So by that token, everyone in a position of leadership in the US government is morally reposnsible for say, the bombing of a wedding party in aghanistan. you wouldnt be suggesting some sort of collective reponsibility would you? Strange stance for an individualist such as yourself to take. Taken I guess for political and ideological reasons.
Oh please bear in mind that I dont condone or defend political violence, quite the opposite. but i am willing to accept that people can change their views over time, and indeed become valuable members of society in later years.
Martin McGuinness for instance, a far bigger bastard than any weatherman, the military leader of a far more hienous group of political murderers then those penny ante militants, is now Deputy First Minister of Norther Ireland. Let me make it even easier, Schlack. Is George Bush morally responsible for the devastation in Iraq as a result of his un-necessary invasion of that counry? In ten years time, will George Bush still be morally responsible for what took place in Iraq as a result of the un-necessary invasion? How about some of its cheerleaders? Wolfewitz? Kristol? Biden? Cheney? How about former NAZIs that escaped punishment and became valuable members of society until being caught -- assuming of course, that they had "changed their views over time"? Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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I confess that I once attended an SDS meeting on my college campus back around 1969. So I must have listened to people who had some association with those SDS killers and Weathermen symbolic property bombers. So I guess I am as morally responsible as William Ayers. Funny though, I have never felt like I wanted to blow anybody up. I did punch a bully in the nose in 10th grade. That pretty much sums up my contribution to violent acts. (Oops, I do enjoy a good steak.)
On the other hand, it might also be fun to play the "degrees of seperation" game starting with the guys who intentionally set off a much larger bomb to kill many people (including infants and children in the daycare center) in Oklahoma City.
By far, most of the political bombing fatalities in the US have been caused by right-wing groups rather than left-wing. If you expand the tallies to count all the people murdered by agents of the government, goon squads hired by corporations, and terrorist organizations like the KKK, then the ratio of right versus left political murders is probably 1000:1.
Not that I am condoning terrorist acts of course, but let's remember our history.
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Is George Bush morally responsible for the devastation in Iraq as a result of his un-necessary invasion of that counry? no he is directly responsible - he gave the damn orders.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
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I think the kind of tactics Mr. Ayers advocated during his radical "Weather Underground" period are reprehensible, whether they are being championed by right-wingers or left-wingers. If he really wanted to be an effective voice in ending the Vietnam debacle, he would have done well to follow the example of Norman Morrison, whose actions had a profound effect on Robert McNamara. A dozen Norman Morrisons would have stopped the war a lot faster than a thousand William Ayerses, IMHO.
It's all a moot point, it seems to me, how many degrees of separation there are between Mr. Ayers and Patrolman Schroeder's killers. Mr. Ayers was not running for a political office. The American people have spoken. They have decided that they are more comfortable with a President who had a relationship with a former terrorist than with a President who spent five years with Communists directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of GI's.
Who knows what influence they may have had on him!
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
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so that we may grow with peace in mind.
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isnt this thread about dishonest narratives? rather then the election?
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I confess that I once attended an SDS meeting on my college campus back around 1969. So I must have listened to people who had some association with those SDS killers and Weathermen symbolic property bombers. So I guess I am as morally responsible as William Ayers. You have it backwards, pondering_it_all. Ayers was not an audience member, he was an advocate of violent 'protest' at their get togethers. Do you agree with the law that holds that it is a crime to incite others to violence if they do indeed act out that violence? It was that concept that bankrupted Tom Metzger (WAR) when not enough evidence was available to convict him in a criminal court for that particular act. Of course, in Ayers' case we are only talking moral responsibility. By far, most of the political bombing fatalities in the US have been caused by right-wing groups rather than left-wing. Tu Quoque. Yours, Issodhos
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Is George Bush morally responsible for the devastation in Iraq as a result of his un-necessary invasion of that counry? no he is directly responsible - he gave the damn orders. How about some of its cheerleaders? Wolfewitz? Kristol? Biden? Cheney? How about former NAZIs that escaped punishment and became valuable members of society until being caught -- assuming of course, that they had "changed their views over time"? In ase you missed that part of the question. Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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you guys obviously have not read any right-wing blogs ... it is obvious to them Ayers is lying and there is a long term close connection between Ayers and Obama ... Nope, I'm not in the least bit interested in reading any of the hate-wing blogs.
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