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I have always held to the adage that if one is looking for trouble, one is going to find trouble. So, the first thing one does to avoid trouble is to not look for trouble, and preferably, if it can be avoided, don't go where trouble may find you. I agree with you, Issodhos. Where we differ is that I regard using a gun, carrying a gun, and owning a gun to be looking for trouble. Nothing wrong with "differing, numan. Nothing wrong with you emigrating from a place with which you are unhappy. Nothing wrong with you not owning a firearm. It is good that you are willing to make choices that you have a right to make. I respect your right to not exercise your right to own and use a firearm. Hopefully, you are willing to allow me the same right to choose. Seems fair.:-) Yours in full control of my inner fascist, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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Yours in full control of my inner fascist, Issodhos Assuming for the moment that free choice is not an illusion foisted upon you by your inner fascist.
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"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
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It's just that I get tired of the "gun control freaks run wild" label.
It's just that we choose to live our lives without arms. Oh, yes - and we vehemently wish that others would, as well. "Gun control freaks" has only been used once, and it is basically a spoof on the use of derogatory terms used against those who choose to privately own and use firearms. I thought it was time to "give back" round about the time a thread went up in this forum entitled "Gun nuts accessories to murder?" when the killings at Virginia Tech took place. None of you had any problem with that thread title. Add to that the routine attempts to marginalize a gun owner by saying that he is compensating for sexual inadequacies, seeking an "extention", 'looking for trouble" and other things the "haters" (sorry, couldn't help myself:-)) in the forum and elsewhere write, I will forgive myself for the "gun-control freaks" spoof.:-) Once again, I happy to support your right to not exercise the right to privately own and use firearms. Try to not deny me that choice. Yours in hopes of getting along, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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"Gun control freaks" has only been used once, and it is basically a spoof on the use of derogatory terms used against those who choose to privately own and use firearms. Could you provide an illustration of "derogatory terms used against those who choose to privately own and use firearms." To my understanding there are more elements than that required before those terms have been applied.
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issodhos, whether a phrase is used once or a hundred times, if it's inaccurate, it's inaccurate. In my case, it's inaccurate and I spoke up.
As for the use of "gun nut" - I am not in the habit of using derogatory remarks about gun users, but in my view the man at Virginia Tech was a disturbed armed man, which is not all that far from "gun nut," impolite as it may be. The same is true of the shooter at the Omaha mall, and those at Columbine and Red Lake and DeKalb and École Polytechnique and Erfurt and, yes, the man in Pittsburgh. I'll stop here, although I could easily go further.
However, should I at any time use that phrase in reference to responsible gun owners, particularly my friends on this site, you would be right to correct me. Catching me may be a problem.
As for allowing you your rights - we interpret the 2nd Amendment differently and always will. My voting for stricter gun control is, in my view, not an infringement of your rights. You will of course disagree. That discussion is for another time and place.
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issodhos, whether a phrase is used once or a hundred times, if it's inaccurate, it's inaccurate. In my case, it's inaccurate and I spoke up.
As for allowing you your rights - we interpret the 2nd Amendment differently and always will. My voting for stricter gun control is, in my view, not an infringement of your rights. You will of course disagree. That discussion is for another time and place. Oh, I am not apologizing for its usage, Mellowicious. And I am not interested in any post-parsing and fine tuning of terms previously used in other threads over the past few years. But, I do promise you that I will continue to support your rights, whether they are freedom of expression, due process, privacy, or the right to privately own and use firearms. By the way, the 2nd amendment is merely a restriction against the federal government infringing on a pre-existing right. I certainly do not rely on it as a basis for the right to privately own and use firearms.:-) Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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"Gun control freaks" has only been used once, and it is basically a spoof on the use of derogatory terms used against those who choose to privately own and use firearms. Could you provide an illustration of "derogatory terms used against those who choose to privately own and use firearms." To my understanding there are more elements than that required before those terms have been applied. There is a search function going back at least a year, Ardy. Avail yourself of it if you wish. Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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Onus is on you, iss. You brought it up, you provide the evidence. Otherwise, it's just an empty claim.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love, to respect and be kind to one another, so that we may grow with peace in mind. (Native American prayer)
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In Isshodos's defence i do remember that thread title. was it the title of an article?
however, making fun in general of gun enthusiasts really is the exception here, as far as i can recall.
one swallow does not make a blo.. erm summer
but i could indeed be wrong.
Actual gun nuts are fair game, as are all crazies.
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"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." (Philip K.Dick)
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oh, Schlack, c'mon - you got something against non-violent crazies? 
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