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Fascinating thread.


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It gives new meaning to the phrase "off" Broadway, doesn't it?!?


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have mercy

There you go, Governor.
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after thinking about this thread, it occurs to me that a lot of views expressed are pretty conservative. Very interesting.

No they're not: They really don't have anything to do with left versus right. They have everything to do with our reaction to bullying. Perhaps accidentally, Letterman hurt somebody much weaker and much smaller. I don't have any children myself, but I still have a sense of Liberal Outrage when I see the powerful go after the powerless. In fact, the deep emotions that stirs may be most of the basis of my political identity.

Even David Letterman acknowledged the fact that his joke had done injury to a 14 year old girl, in his real apology.
indeed. and i find it tiresome to think that liberals have no sense of decency, or values. i realize scout that you are not saying that, but perhaps the implication is there, unwittingly.

Umm...I didn't post this-Pondering_it_all did. And i don't see where where it says Liberals have no sense of decency. I said anyone who thinks that this sickening bullying behavior is OK is cruel and mean. I put no qualifiers of being Liberal or Conservative in any of my posts.


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Originally Posted by loganrbt
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And the title of this thread most certainly made intentional targets of minor children. rolleyes

Isn't there a rule about titles of threads that quote material from an external source?

The Title of the thread is not in violation of any RR guidelines. It is just a point that some feel that it alright to exploit.target children to get their zing in. I disagree.


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greger, what gets me is that you and a couple of well meaning people on this thread keep going back to the whole child thing,
Beggin yer pardon there, 2wins, but the title of the thread is BANGING SARAH PALIN'S DAUGHTERS not "Banging the 18 year old" not "Banging Sarah Palin" but her daughters. Plural, The 18 year old, the 14 year old, the preteen, and the baby. The joke was specifically, if mistakenly, aimed at the 14 year old. You guys might feel like crude sexual jokes about children are cool and wonderful humor, I don't. I'd be happy to stop arguing if you'd stop telling me its ok for old men to talk about screwing a 14 year old on national tv and that it's funny and ok because it's Sarah Palin's Daughter.
If the thread is now about Sarah Palin I'm done with because I hate the woman and have nothing to say about her.
as i said, i did not think the jokes in good taste at all. i'm not certain what other male on this thread thinks otherwise. i might have missed that. also, you and i seem to disagree on the nature of this thread. by virtue of gov. palin's position and behavior, i see this as a topic aimed squarely at her.

Really? Then explain this cheap shot:

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I don't know if Willow is getting it on with any of the locals up in Alaska or if she is handing it out on the road but when a young, impressionable teenage girl has role models like Sarah and Bristol Palin anything is possible.


This a direct quote from the lead post of this thread. Maybe just another "unintended target" you suppose?
two thnigs scout. one, as i said, i might have missed it. two, that is from doug's rant and as i have seen time after time here, his rants do not count insofar as ranters were concerned. to be clear, i was referring to those of us who have been following and commenting on this thread.

I commented on this as I did David Letterman's non-joke. It is an outside piece that has content that I disagree with and consider bullying children. I posted as I would on a piece, say by Rush Limbaigh. End of story.


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Do you think this episode has changed Willow's values regarding sex? Do you think that, perhaps, she won't grew up to be like her sister? Mom?

How do you think this episode has affected Willow - being a young girl once yourself?
I'll answer my own question.

It is my hope that young women think about Bristol Palin and the attention she's received and realize that having a child is a serious situation not to be taken lightly.

Perhaps something good can come of this. One can only hope.



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Just because it's done doesn't make it right. Slavery was practiced in this country, did that make it right? rolleyes
Good point.

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And for the billionth time, Bristol was not the target Letterman hit.
True. Do you think this episode has changed Willow's values regarding sex?

Maybe. She looks at how people are making her mother and her sister and the rest of her family as a punchline and casting slurs upon their characters-whether not they are deserved.

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Do you think that, perhaps, she won't grew up to be like her sister? Mom?

Every kid is different, to a point. Gov. Palin likes being in total control, she' politically ambitious and was burned a bit by Bristol becoming pregnant. So she might be extra vigilant with Willow and the other children.

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How do you think this episode has affected Willow - being a young girl once yourself?

I think that this has hurt Willow very much. She's a 14 year old kid, just into puberty. The emotional rollercoaster of that time makes things feel more dramatic, plus now that her mother exposed her to the public and David Letterman opened the door to making fun of her, he peers will be even more cruel.

Remember how upset you were about the young boy in Oxnard being teased and made fun of for being Gay? Lawrence King? He was 15. It got so bad that he finally committed suicde. And he wasn't even famous until after his death. It is much worse for the children of public figures. If you are honest, you would admit that the only reason you found this delicious is because her mother is someone that you greatly dislike.

Well, have at Gov. Palin. But leave the children out of it.


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Jumping back in for a moment, as a friend commented on this (the effect on Willow) today. She was 14 when her big sister got pregnant, a Big Deal in their conservative family. How did it affect her?

- Her mother watched her like a hawk, which ruined their relationship for 15-20 years
- She was terrified of both sex AND pregnancy, eventually spending a good-sized chunk on therapists
- She grew up with the idea that if she ever did anything wrong, it would be Found Out and Made Public and she would Shame the Family and Break Her Mother's Heart. When she finally left home, and moved 700 miles away to college, she spent the entire first semester drunk. Has no memory of most of her second year.

There were other family issues, I'm sure, that enhanced the problem, but Shel said the overreaction to her sister's error cost her a great deal.

I'm sure Willow will pay a price for this whole last year - which, I think, is why I was concerned about her after this event. No 14 year old needs publicity (that she didn't ask for), and no 14 year old will walk away from it unscathed.




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