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From JournoList to Breitbart, the American Media has lost it's way. This week, I have been following dual stories; the Sherrod episode, ignited by Breitbart's totally irresponsible posting of 2 heavily edited minutes from a 45 minute speech, and the not-so-discussed story about JournoList. What's So Bad about the JournoList? Somehow, Ezra Klein has managed to drain a little more water out of the already shallow pool of media objectivity. He's introduced the notion that, in some instances, it may not have been a soft bias, but instead a hard one. That's exactly the kind of suspicion and mutual distrust that a party caucus breeds. And, unless the full JournoList is opened to the public, nobody will ever know for sure.
JournoList looks to me to be yet another mile-marker on this country's return to a partisan press. This does not upset me very much at all. I think American democracy is unthinkable without the political parties, so I do not think that a partisan press is all that bad. And it might finally stop journalists and academics from acquiring the inherently political authority that comes with monikers like "objective news" or "social science" when they are in fact promoting subjective values. That would be a good thing. In her current column, Journolist flap shows a destructive 'gotcha' mentality, Kathleen Parker asks the following: In the meantime, we have to ask ourselves: Are we better off never having the ability to speak offhandedly among friends, to say in private what we could never say in public, to think aloud and uncensored?
Or do we resign ourselves to the new reality -- that no one is ever to be trusted -- and keep our thoughts to ourselves? The answer implied by the events here described suggests a country in which few of us would want to live. So, is this now the new reality for Journalism? What does it mean for us, the consumers of their product?
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Unfortunately there is also a very thin line between politically biased media... and intentional and manipulative distortion of the public record in order to achieve political goals.
Of course this dynamic works in all political direction... never the less I was really shocked to find out that I had not heard of the distortions underlying the ACORN story. I follow the news, and keep reasonably well informed with multiple sources. And If I was not aware of this story... I gotta think that the preponderance of Americans are similarly uninformed. And so the result is an intentional distortion of the public record the stands fasts despite the truth being later exposed.... not unlike the many people who remain convinced that Sadam really did have WMD and did conspire with Bin Laden to attack the US.
It seems like good propaganda is actually more likely to be accepted as truth than are the complicated facts uncovered by good reporting.
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
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It seems like good propaganda is actually more likely to be accepted as truth than are the complicated facts uncovered by good reporting. The key word in that sentence is complicated. "Complicated" facts require extra reading and thought in order to fully comprehend their meaning and worth. Propaganda is usually simple, with appeals to emotion that derail deeper thought processes.
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It seems like good propaganda is actually more likely to be accepted as truth than are the complicated facts uncovered by good reporting. The key word in that sentence is complicated. "Complicated" facts require extra reading and thought in order to fully comprehend their meaning and worth. Propaganda is usually simple, with appeals to emotion that derail deeper thought processes. Hence, the opportunity for Roger Ailes and Andrew Breitbart to totally distort "reality" by propagating and promoting fabrications. I was going to start another thread with this article, but it seems appropriate to add it here: Do "both sides" really do what Breitbart does? and No, both sides don't do what Breitbart does: Part II
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Unfortunately there is also a very thin line between politically biased media... and intentional and manipulative distortion of the public record in order to achieve political goals.
Of course this dynamic works in all political direction... never the less I was really shocked to find out that I had not heard of the distortions underlying the ACORN story. I follow the news, and keep reasonably well informed with multiple sources. And If I was not aware of this story... I gotta think that the preponderance of Americans are similarly uninformed. And so the result is an intentional distortion of the public record the stands fasts despite the truth being later exposed.... not unlike the many people who remain convinced that Sadam really did have WMD and did conspire with Bin Laden to attack the US.
It seems like good propaganda is actually more likely to be accepted as truth than are the complicated facts uncovered by good reporting. I pretty much agree, but how about taking this one more step, and addressing the unspoken issues that neither side of the MSM ever addresses in the detail necessary to expose egregious stories to the public. IMO, none of the following major issues have seen the light of day, except in the "everybody knows that" kind of reporting. -Corporate Influence and Lobbying. -Personal Wealth in the Financial Industry -Military Industrial Complex -Unfunded Liabilities and Off Budget Balance sheet -Overt Public exposure of Congressional voting by issue As the on-line journalists expose the inner secrets with a scattergun approach.... which is read by only a small part of the public... The Television and Major press sources are the drivers of public opinion (my opinion). Even the much vaunted NYT exposures, the Rolling stone or Atlantic stories, rarely dig deep enough to expose the activities and interests of the Political and Financial power bases. Do you believe that any MSM would publish the names, political associations and previous professional positions of the tens of thousands of Washington and State Lobbyists? What about a story listing the Contract Dollars for the top 200 Military Industrial Suppliers, and maybe the overrun dollars for these contracts? There is more than enough news to go around. The sensitive stories are conspicuous by their absence.
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It seems like good propaganda is actually more likely to be accepted as truth than are the complicated facts uncovered by good reporting. The key word in that sentence is complicated. "Complicated" facts require extra reading and thought in order to fully comprehend their meaning and worth. Propaganda is usually simple, with appeals to emotion that derail deeper thought processes. Hence, the opportunity for Roger Ailes and Andrew Breitbart to totally distort "reality" by propagating and promoting fabrications. I was going to start another thread with this article, but it seems appropriate to add it here: Do "both sides" really do what Breitbart does? and No, both sides don't do what Breitbart does: Part III must reply Oh Yes They Do!!! Manufacturing Consent was written during the Cold War. A more apt version of this filter is the customary western identification of 'the enemy' or an 'evil dictator' - Colonel Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, or Slobodan Milosevic (recall the British tabloid headlines of 'Smash Saddam!' and 'Clobba Slobba!'). The same extends to mainstream reporting of environmentalists as 'eco-terrorists'. The Sunday Times ran a particularly nasty series of articles in 1999 accusing activists from the non-violent direct action group Reclaim The Streets of stocking up on CS gas and stun guns.
The demonisation of enemies is useful, essential even, in justifying strategic geopolitical manoeuvring and the defence of corporate interests around the world, while mollifying home-based critics of such behaviour. The creation of an 'evil empire' of some kind, as in postwar western scaremongering about the 'Soviet Menace' or earlier talk of the 'Evil Hun', has been a standard device for terrifying the population into supporting arms production and military adventurism abroad - both major sources of profit for big business. Iraq's Saddam Hussein has been a useful bogeyman for US arms manufacturers who have notched up sales of over $100bn to Saddam's neighbours in the Middle East. The fifth filter also applies to media demonisation of anti-globalisation protesters - often described as 'rioters' - and anyone else perceived as a threat to free-market ideology.
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Referencing Chomsky?!? The subject of this article vilifies the very foundations of our slow return to sanity started during the administration of Ronald Wilson Reagan. What is this? This brief description of the propaganda model hardly does justice to the sophisticated and cogent analysis presented by Herman and Chomsky. The interested reader is urged to consult their book directly. Its particular relevance here is that it explains how and why the status quo of corporate power is maintained in modern society, the dominance of the neoliberal agenda of free trade with its automatic rejection of alternatives (Margaret Thatcher's 'There Is No Alternative'), and the emasculation of dissident viewpoints which are variously labelled as 'biased', 'ideological' or 'extreme'. How likely is it that anyone calling for radical change in society - whether environmentalists, human-rights activists or opponents of the arms trade - will be consistently and fairly reported by corporate news organisations? How much more likely is it that their arguments will be vilified, marginalised or simply ignored?
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My post was to point out that Breibart took a page out of Obama's mentor's playbook and used it to perfection. Can we talk about Politics here for a moment? What Breibart did was out of bounds for anybody in the press, but happens all of the time during political races. Breibard doesn't actuallly call himself a journalist and that exception allows him do what campaign manager would do. Let's look at it for a moment, and remember I do not advocate, just analyze. Breibart took a piece of truth - this woman made a decision based on race that affected a white farmer. When she was telling the story the crowd in attendence cheered their approval. The NAACP was so spooked they over reacted, hell it was their event, and got the woman fired. Obama, being clueless as usual, stood up and condemned the womans behavior and then supported her firing. Then, after the fact when the actual recording showed that this woman was actually baring her soul to the crowd, the backstroke began. If the Boston Globe or the Washington Times did this there would be consequences, since Breibart is a self described political agitator, what can you expect. He will continue to get just enough "real" news to keep himself relevent and play just enough dirty tricks to piss the Dems off. Another Obama mentor the organizer — especially a paid organizer from outside — must first overcome suspicion and establish credibility. Next the organizer must begin the task of agitating: rubbing resentments, fanning hostilities, and searching out controversy. This is necessary to get people to participate. An organizer has to attack apathy and disturb the prevailing patterns of complacent community life where people have simply come to accept a situation. Alinsky would say, “The first step in community organization is community disorganization.”
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What Breibart did was out of bounds for anybody in the press, but happens all of the time during political races. Tim, maybe it's time to make these folks stop this type behavior for any reason (muchless at election time. It's time that we (the public) make politicians and "journalists" and psuedo-journalists accountable by whatever means that are legally available. Lawsuits work pretty good. Yes, it happens all of the time, but we've (the public) have gotten to the point that we are bombarded with partial truths and outright lies and nobody is held accountable in any manner whatsoever. Coming from Free Press totally dilutes the constutional rights and obligations that journalists (or even pretend journalists) have to the public. Happening all the time isn't an appropriate response from anybody in elected office, journalists, or otherwise. That's the problem...it just happens all the time so...  We just blow it off.
Turn on ANY brand of political machine - and it automatically goes to the "SPIN and LIE CYCLE" 
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