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Originally Posted by olyve
Is it too soon to put Catholic Churches next to play grounds?
Is that what we're saying?
(yes Jon Stewart Show)

What Schlack said...big time.
Is it too soon to put a Wahabbist Madrasah beside a girl's high school? coffee
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LOL, Phil. I saw that too and posted similar above you.
Hilarious.



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Originally Posted by issodhos
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... they have the right guaranteed by the 1st Amendment to build a mosque there.
Make your case, rporter314.
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Simple: 1st Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Hence, the inability of the zoning commission being able to discriminate against one particular religion. Zoning rules for private property can, of course, be applied evenly - as they were in this case.

Case closed.


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In fairness, we've been building 'ground zeros' near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.

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I just wonder what all these anti-mosque/muslim people will do once the new office building is built on the Trade Center site. Are they going to investigate all the companies looking for space to make sure there are no muslim investors? Are they going to insist on strict no muslim corporation rules? Are they going to try to force all the companies renting space to not hire any Muslims? You know, because if a devout muslim is working there he(or she) might want to use a break period to engage in prayer? Cause, let's face it, if a muslim community center two blocks away is so horrid, muslims approaching the actual site must be worse(/sarcasm).

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Originally Posted by erinys
I just wonder what all these anti-mosque/muslim people will do once the new office building is built on the Trade Center site. Are they going to investigate all the companies looking for space to make sure there are no muslim investors? Are they going to insist on strict no muslim corporation rules? Are they going to try to force all the companies renting space to not hire any Muslims? You know, because if a devout muslim is working there he(or she) might want to use a break period to engage in prayer? Cause, let's face it, if a muslim community center two blocks away is so horrid, muslims approaching the actual site must be worse(/sarcasm).

Once again the lawyers are trying to rule the day through a heavy dose of legalsleze, when in fact it should be the people of NY who have the final say. Let's suppose somebody wanted to establish a temple to Talula - The Goddess of Exotic Dancing in the vacant lot next door to your house? This temple would be potentially less dangerous than a mosque could be and the client base would probably be better dressed. By your argument the constitutional rights of a very small group of people trump the constitutional rights of the vast majority. And the solution you offer is to cater to the vast minority in the name of political correctness. So, let me know where I can build my gentleman's club in your neighborhood.


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I'm sorry, Ma but when you say "the constitutional rights of a very small group of people trump the constitutional rights of the vast majority" - what constitutional rights are being infringed by the building of the mosque?


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Originally Posted by Ma_Republican
Originally Posted by erinys
I just wonder what all these anti-mosque/muslim people will do once the new office building is built on the Trade Center site. Are they going to investigate all the companies looking for space to make sure there are no muslim investors? Are they going to insist on strict no muslim corporation rules? Are they going to try to force all the companies renting space to not hire any Muslims? You know, because if a devout muslim is working there he(or she) might want to use a break period to engage in prayer? Cause, let's face it, if a muslim community center two blocks away is so horrid, muslims approaching the actual site must be worse(/sarcasm).

Once again the lawyers are trying to rule the day through a heavy dose of legalsleze, when in fact it should be the people of NY who have the final say. Let's suppose somebody wanted to establish a temple to Talula - The Goddess of Exotic Dancing in the vacant lot next door to your house? This temple would be potentially less dangerous than a mosque could be and the client base would probably be better dressed. By your argument the constitutional rights of a very small group of people trump the constitutional rights of the vast majority. And the solution you offer is to cater to the vast minority in the name of political correctness. So, let me know where I can build my gentleman's club in your neighborhood.
What utter rubbish. I stated above that the "temple to Talula" would be subject to zoning and other reasonable laws so why bring that into this?

Do you not know why we have a Constitution containing a Bill of Rights? It is to limit the actions of the people through government. I am amazed at this whole "will of the people" argument -- it is clear many Americans, some right here, do not understand civil rights at all.


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My two cents...
leaving aside media representations of Moslems,
the actual Muslim people I have met seem very normal, nice, sincere, good family people. Not to say that there are not
radicals of nearly every religious persuasion. But stopping a Mosque will not change that... and would not be an constitutional way to accomplish that objective even if it were effective.

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Originally Posted by Phil Hoskins
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Originally Posted by erinys
I just wonder what all these anti-mosque/muslim people will do once the new office building is built on the Trade Center site. Are they going to investigate all the companies looking for space to make sure there are no muslim investors? Are they going to insist on strict no muslim corporation rules? Are they going to try to force all the companies renting space to not hire any Muslims? You know, because if a devout muslim is working there he(or she) might want to use a break period to engage in prayer? Cause, let's face it, if a muslim community center two blocks away is so horrid, muslims approaching the actual site must be worse(/sarcasm).

Once again the lawyers are trying to rule the day through a heavy dose of legalsleze, when in fact it should be the people of NY who have the final say. Let's suppose somebody wanted to establish a temple to Talula - The Goddess of Exotic Dancing in the vacant lot next door to your house? This temple would be potentially less dangerous than a mosque could be and the client base would probably be better dressed. By your argument the constitutional rights of a very small group of people trump the constitutional rights of the vast majority. And the solution you offer is to cater to the vast minority in the name of political correctness. So, let me know where I can build my gentleman's club in your neighborhood.
What utter rubbish. I stated above that the "temple to Talula" would be subject to zoning and other reasonable laws so why bring that into this?

Do you not know why we have a Constitution containing a Bill of Rights? It is to limit the actions of the people through government. I am amazed at this whole "will of the people" argument -- it is clear many Americans, some right here, do not understand civil rights at all.

If this were a zoning issue then why did your hero suggest it was a constitutional issue? I have to be honest here, I got a feeling that this temple will never get built and that the zoning permits will eventually be refused. I understand how happy it makes people to be so PC, but getting kicked out of office for pissing down the backs of the people who voted you in is not the way to make friends.

I really don't care if it is built or not, except that the will of the people and of the neighborhood should be first, and last in the decision making process. This is a political decision, and a crass and insensitive one at that. I know, legally it can happen, morally maybe it should, practically it should never have been considered. I don't know what is worse, getting poked in the eye by the people you elect, or spit in the face by the people who attacked you.


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