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What kind of jobs will be needed for the engineering studies, will these be saved or created? What level of jobs are they? When will the money actually be paid? How long will the engineering studies take? What percentage of the cost goes to actual work, how much goes to profit margin? The point of "shovel ready" meant just that: The item has met all of the requirements, evironmental impact studies, been signed off on, and just needed funding. ...but we're getting "engineering studies" for projects 10 years down the road. That wasn't supposed to be the way this "stimulus" package worked. It was supposed to be for work NOW ! Work ready to go that just needed funding. Do you think it's merely a happy coincidence that we're getting the Senate's version of the stimulus package and Harry Reid is the Senator from Nevada and that is why there is monies for a high speed train engineering study from Las Vegas to Disneyland? I'm sure Madam Pelosi said: If you get your high speed rail, I want my San Francisco to Los Angeles high speed rail. ...and that's how we taxpayers are paying $8b for engineering studies.
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What kind of jobs will be needed for the engineering studies, will these be saved or created? What level of jobs are they? When will the money actually be paid? How long will the engineering studies take? What percentage of the cost goes to actual work, how much goes to profit margin? The point of "shovel ready" meant just that: The item has met all of the requirements, evironmental impact studies, been signed off on, and just needed funding. ...but we're getting "engineering studies" for projects 10 years down the road. That wasn't supposed to be the way this "stimulus" package worked. It was supposed to be for work NOW ! Work ready to go that just needed funding. Do you think it's merely a happy coincidence that we're getting the Senate's version of the stimulus package and Harry Reid is the Senator from Nevada and that is why there is monies for a high speed train engineering study from Las Vegas to Disneyland? I'm sure Madam Pelosi said: If you get your high speed rail, I want my San Francisco to Los Angeles high speed rail. ...and that's how we taxpayers are paying $8b for engineering studies. You may have a point, Rick, but you've already made it 3 times in 3 different posts. My questions remain. Do you know the answers? Or, are they unimportant, in your opinion?
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Best statement of the thread so far! 
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If you were hoping for immediate sweeping change then you set yourself up for disappointment. I just hope that in two years we aren't seeing continued sweeping same. Obama has come out of the gate slow, he's staying with the pack and getting a feel for the track. It's still way to early to call the race though. I don't think this stimulus package is what President Obama wanted, he wanted the one close to the House's version, what we're getting is the Senate's version. The Senate has basically said: Take it or leave it. Why the rush? Why does it have to be passed now? Oh yes... ...Congress is on "vacation" next week, and Ms. Pelosi might lose her Rome hotel room deposit if she stayed and fought for what President Obama wanted. Good grief ! What happened is that Pelosi and Reid have hijacked the Obama Presidency. Obama attacked this bill as an exercise, the leadership attacked this bill from a political perspective. Let's look at what happend here. Obama promised a bill that would start working for America immediately, NOPE. Obama promised a bill that would be directed ar economic recovery - unfortunately NOPE. Obama promised a bill free of pork - ha ha ha, I guess Pelosi and Reid got the last laugh on that one NOPE. Ther are two different conclusions we can reach: 1) Pelosi and Reid are trying to take over Obama's Presidency. That is the best case scenario here. 2) Obama, Pelosi and Reid are implementing their agenda and using the economic crisis as a way to do it. I have less faith in this idea because it would denote a conspiracy, and I don't think Obama has thought that far ahead. 4 weeks and already heading toward failure, it is a shame.
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Take for instance the $8b for high speed rail between Las Vegas and Disneyland and the high speed rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles. That $8b is only for engineering studies! Source please.
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Take for instance the $8b for high speed rail between Las Vegas and Disneyland and the high speed rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles. That $8b is only for engineering studies! "In late-stage talks, Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., pressed for $8 billion to construct high-speed rail lines, quadrupling the amount in the bill that passed the Senate on Tuesday.
Reid's office issued a statement noting that a proposed Los Angeles-to-Las Vegas rail might get a big chunk of the money." I didn't know until just now that Schumer was in on the act as well...
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My questions remain. Do you know the answers? Or, are they unimportant, in your opinion? I'm not sure if I understand your questions RB. Do I think that high-speed rail is unimportant? I think that high-speed rail is imporant for the future. ...but the Stimulus package was about "shovel ready" projects now - not about doing engineering studies about projects that will come into fruition 10 years (...or more) from now.
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My reading of that article indicates that the $8 billion is not for just that one HSR project, but to be divided among a number of them around the country.
We in Florida expect to receive between 1.5 and 2 billion for transportation, and so we are trying to get our priorities in order. Quite a lot of interesting conversations going on in the Sunshine State.
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I didn't realize, until just now, that the $8b for HSR was for the entire country - my information/source merely talked about the SF to LA and LA to LV lines. I didn't know about the rest of the country's lines. Therefore, I am backing off of my comments given that more of the country is involved than just California. ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/HSR.jpg)
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My reading of that article indicates that the $8 billion is not for just that one HSR project, but to be divided among a number of them around the country.
We in Florida expect to receive between 1.5 and 2 billion for transportation, and so we are trying to get our priorities in order. Quite a lot of interesting conversations going on in the Sunshine State. Thanks Emma, I just realized that when reading another story while you were posting your post.
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