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Keep b!tching Ma. You're like a barometer, gauging the storm that is sweeping away the ugly elitism and false hopes of Reaganomics. The more you complain about how Obama's economic policies are hurting the fat cats who pull Wall Street's strings, the better it bodes for us ordinary folk whose well-being has been sucked away by their greed. Awesome! 
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I forgot to mention that Democrats started the Civil War.... Actually, it was the Republican Party and Northern industrialists, fronted by Abraham Lincoln, who started the War of Northern Aggression.:-) Yours, Issodhos
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...You can't have it both ways, especially after the last two months of failure. The Dems have owned Congress for the last two years, the market has turned DOWN for the last two years. Helllooooo.... ...it takes a mile for a super tanker to come to a complete stop.  And how much further a ship of fools?;-) Yours, Issodhos
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...And how much further a ship of fools?;-) Provided said "fools" are on a super tanker - the same - a mile.
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...And how much further a ship of fools?;-) Provided said "fools" are on a super tanker - the same - a mile. You know, that certainly is apropos.
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...And how much further a ship of fools?;-) Provided said "fools" are on a super tanker - the same - a mile. Heh heh heh:-) Point taken, rick. Yours, Issodhos
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There is no doubt that the people who control the markets don't like the President and they don't like his policies. It should come as no surprise that the market tanks whenever Obama gets his way on economic matters. The people who stand to benefit from his policies don't control the market, so their benefit will undoubtedly not bring about a corresponding rise in the DJIA.
We learned during the first Bush term that rising markets do not mean an uplifting of the living standard for the average person. Remember how many jobs were lost and how much of a decline there was in real wages and standard of living during those years when "the markets were fine"?
We know that Obama intends to sweep away the legacy of Reagan's "trickle down" economics, and his policies should therefore reinforce economic security and well-being in the working classes, not the elite. So why should we expect those policies to miraculously reverse the downward trends that were established at the end of the second Bush term? They are not intended to.
Keep b!tching Ma. You're like a barometer, gauging the storm that is sweeping away the ugly elitism and false hopes of Reaganomics. The more you complain about how Obama's economic policies are hurting the fat cats who pull Wall Street's strings, the better it bodes for us ordinary folk whose well-being has been sucked away by their greed. Steve, this is the problem I have. No where in the Constitution does it say that life is fair. The living standard for the average person, how many of these average people do you think long for those thrilling days of yesteryear? The fact remains, the markets drive our economy and the markets are crashing. I have told all of you the I will accept the idea of a Bush recession, as long as you accept the idea that Obama is responsible for this mess. Ugly elitism and false hopes? Anybody with a little bit of motivation and smarts during the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush years should have made enough money to have a nice retirement, but that was before Obama took over. It's kind of funny, I am not an elitist, John Kerry is an elitist, Ted Kennedy is an elitist, but not I. I believe that everybody has the same opportunities in this country and begrudge nobody their ability to prosper. If that is elitist them I am guilty I guess, but that would not be the definition I would put on that concept. I do, however, believe that everybody makes their own life. If people want to wait until the bailout comes then they are not contributing to America and her prosperity. The Obama administration is the worst thing to happen to America since the Great Depression. Wealth in America has shrunk at an amazing rate over the last 2 months. The markets, the mechanism that drives our economic future is panicked over President Obama's ideas of "stimulus", if this is stimulus give me regression. Once again it comes down to jealousy. In America people succeed and fail on their own, at least that used to be the way it worked. Now, success will be punnished and failure rewarded. Your neighbor's property will be taxed until he can't aford to keep it, and then he will be bailed out with everbody elses tax money. Nobody is sucking you dry with their greed, you are trying to suck them dry with your greed. You look and see success and think "Why shouldn't I share in their success?", I look and say "Someday I will achieve their success!". I repeat the only economic policy that I have ever seen turn a counrty around in peace time is tax cuts. It worked for Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan and Bush. Liberalism failed for Carter and is failing for Obama. America is a place where success used to be rewarded, now I am not so sure that is the case. Our President, using a time honored scheme of class warfare, is trying to steal from the hand that supplies the economy. You are witnessing the result of that scheme. The only hope I have for the IS right now is that there really is a bottom to the pit that Obama is driving us down.
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Steve, this is the problem I have. No where in the Constitution does it say that life is fair. The living standard for the average person, how many of thise average people do you think long for those thrilling days of yesteryear? Increases of real income (adjusted for inflation) for the American middle class has been stagnant for the past thirty years. The only segment of the population which has seen an increase in real income (adjusted for inflation) during that time period has been the very top tier of earners. The fact remains, the markets drive our economy and the markets are crashing. I have told all of you the I will accept the idea of a Bush ressession, as long as youaccept the idea that Obama is responsible for this mess. I can understand your need to have to "bargain" over what the facts are in light of your argument which has no basis in fact. Yeah, I'll bite. You're right, it was just the thought of an Obama administration that led to the bursting of the housing bubble and the meltdown of the financial sector and the economy shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs on a monthly basis during 2008. Or has all of that occurred since 1/20/09? Ugly elitism and false hopes? Anybody with a little bit of motivation and smarts durin the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush years should have made enough money to have a nice retirement, but that was before Obama took over. This is more of that "people who play by the rules" tripe you peddle, isn't it. In your world, I suppose people who suffer catastrophic illnesses or injuries without health insurance just aren't playing by the rules, right? I repeat the only economic policy that I have ever seen turn a counrty around in peace time is tax cuts. That was quite a nap you were taking during the nineties.
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I have told all of you the I will accept the idea of a Bush ressession, as long as you accept the idea that Obama is responsible for this mess. Forty-one days in Office? Utterly ridiculous! What we have here friends, is a pure, utterly ridiculous partisan political talking point.
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I have told all of you the I will accept the idea of a Bush ressession, as long as you accept the idea that Obama is responsible for this mess. Forty-one days in Office? Utterly ridiculous! What we have here friends, is a pure, utterly ridiculous partisan political talking point. to be more specific and politically correct you have rush talking points. let us begin to call this party what it really is, rush-publicans. as for ma, well you seem to be a rush-sycophant along with the rest of the mainstream rush-publican party. and that's your choice, of course, because no where in the constitution does it say that people may not follow an idiot. it's just that, well, i wish the rush-publicans would get their facts straight. it's tiring listening to their lies.
sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!
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