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I don't know what the solution is, but I fear the Obama Administration doesn't know either.
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At 1:09 on May 6
6,546.49 -47.95 -0.73% Ma...I can agree with that comment whole-heartedly. But, my question is..."WHO DOES"?
Turn on ANY brand of political machine - and it automatically goes to the "SPIN and LIE CYCLE" 
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the basics, iss. get out and organize your community members to begin supporting local organizations such as food pantries, community gardens, health clinics and so forth. establish a strong base in your communities that works to assist one another in times of need. right now there are more and more communities faced with the challenge of unemployment, homelessness due to foreclosures etc., and the community organizations that have traditionally been there are overburdened in many regards. i can tell you that my wife, for example, organized a community garden program last year that not only provides plot space for those who do not have it, but also classes on how to garden, can etc. it is tied into the local food pantry and there is a garden as a part of that program that supplies fresh produce to the pantry. it is a volunteer effort. more and more we must begin to rely on one another, otherwise we're going to find ourselves in a world of hurt. my wife points out, for example, that if we could help people learn to grow their own food, they might have more money left over at the end of the month for things such as rent or mortgages. in short, iss, im not talking about political organizing, although there is a place for that, rather i am talking about practical matters.
sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!
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The real economy IS the market. Not so, Ma. Maybe once upon a time, but not any more. Now, the market is a fake economy. We've learned that the hard way. Take a look at the names of the companies that are putting the concrete shoes on the DJIA.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love, to respect and be kind to one another, so that we may grow with peace in mind. (Native American prayer)
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I don't know what the solution is, but I fear the Obama Administration doesn't know either.
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At 1:09 on May 6
6,546.49 -47.95 -0.73% [/quote] Just to put things in context... Fox says A furious late-day comeback effort erased heavy losses on Wall Street Friday as the markets managed to mostly shrug off a new report showing the U.S. unemployment rate soared last month to the highest level since 1983. hummmm, and who was president then?
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
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On a serious note here, for just a second, what should we do? I mean, on one side of the aisle we have a group of people who want to raise taxes, create large government programs and socialize basic medical care. On the other side of the aisle we have a group of people who want to cut taxes, allow the market to drive the economy and keep social and medical care alone. Where in that equation is there room for compromise? The above was part of a much longer post. It's difficult to know where to start so I'll start with the part about the "people who want to raise taxes." Just what people are you talking about? And what taxes are being raised? Are you talking about the proposal to cut taxes on the 95% of taxpayers who earn less than 250k per year? Or are you talking about the 5% who, instead of taking home 65 cents on every dollar over 250k, they will only be taking home 62 cents like they did during the Clinton depression? Is that the economy destroying tax increase you are talking about? Give me a break. Did you forget that it was the Bush administration that built the sunsetting of that tax cut into the law back in '01? Do you remember why they included the sunset provision in the law? It was because they were so sure that by 2011 the economy would just be humming along that they could make the tax cut permanent with additional legislation? Or is this just more history that the Right has so conveniently flushed down the memory hole?
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What I see happening today has never worked in America. Bull s***. I suggest you do a little reading on FDR's first term. Then I would suggest that you learn a little about what happened in this country when "the market" was allowed to operate freely with no regulation whatsoever. That's what has never worked in this country.
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On a serious note here, for just a second, what should we do? I mean, on one side of the aisle we have a group of people who want to raise taxes, create large government programs and socialize basic medical care. On the other side of the aisle we have a group of people who want to cut taxes, allow the market to drive the economy and keep social and medical care alone. Where in that equation is there room for compromise? I never claimed to be a mathemetician, but that's no equation. The way you've stated it, on one side of the aisle you've painted them as socialist demons and the other side as some kind of innocent angels. Sorry. Does not compute. EmmaG
"I believe very deeply that compassion is the route not only for the evolution of the full human being, but for the very survival of the human race." —The Dalai Lama
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What I see happening today has never worked in America. Bull s***. I suggest you do a little reading on FDR's first term. Then I would suggest that you learn a little about what happened in this country when "the market" was allowed to operate freely with no regulation whatsoever. That's what has never worked in this country. FDR spent tax money to put people to work. Those jobs were not sustainable, eventually we would have run out of baseball fields to build, and tax money to pay the workers with. How did we go from the banks being ouyt of control to the markets being out of control? These must be new talking points to quell the restlessness. What Obama is trying to do has never worked in America, and it is off to a wonderful start. You cannot raise taxes and expect for people to invest in the economy.That tax money comes directly out of the economy, and goes into hands who waste it on political issues. Stem Cells, Womens Health Clinics, field mice, they do not decrease joblessness, but they do forward an agenda that is counter productive within this economy.
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the basics, iss. get out and organize your community members to begin supporting local organizations such as food pantries, community gardens, health clinics and so forth. establish a strong base in your communities that works to assist one another in times of need. right now there are more and more communities faced with the challenge of unemployment, homelessness due to foreclosures etc., and the community organizations that have traditionally been there are overburdened in many regards. i can tell you that my wife, for example, organized a community garden program last year that not only provides plot space for those who do not have it, but also classes on how to garden, can etc. it is tied into the local food pantry and there is a garden as a part of that program that supplies fresh produce to the pantry. it is a volunteer effort. more and more we must begin to rely on one another, otherwise we're going to find ourselves in a world of hurt. my wife points out, for example, that if we could help people learn to grow their own food, they might have more money left over at the end of the month for things such as rent or mortgages. in short, iss, im not talking about political organizing, although there is a place for that, rather i am talking about practical matters. Cool. I am totally supportive of positive and voluntary social power. It has been on the wan over the decades. Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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