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I am not for giving the damned government any more power than it has.


Mick what makes you think the federal government is going to ask you for the power it takes? I think George Bush pretty much proved that whatever power the President and Congress might choose to take is totally out of the peoples hands. There was a lot of talk about whether the President would find some way to declare Martial Law and remain in power, fortunately for us the job sucks so bad even on it's best days that nobody wants it for more than eight years.
He managed to piss off enough folks along the way though that the Republican Wing of The Party got itself removed from power.
A certain amount "power" was thus returned to the people.


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Let me pose a question: What do you think the Founders had in mind when they made the right to keep and bear arms the second amendment after the first? Was it so sportsmen could shoot skeet? Or for hunters? I think it was so we would have a method to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government, in the event the first amendment failed. Don't dare say that there is no way we could fight the US Army. Look at Afghanistan and Iraq. These people managed to fight the US military to a standstill, despite our vaunted technological superiority. I understand AG Holder has argued before the Supreme Court that no one has the right to own firearms, just the police and military. Rahm Immanuel(sp?) has said the same thing. I will never give up my guns. I'll die in a hail of gunfire first. Recall that the Nazis disarmed the civilian populace. So did the Soviets. The biggest threat to any would be dictator(Democrat or Republican) is an armed populace. Once the populace is disarmed, it's over. I hope this never happens, but I fully expect to not see old age because we keep electing the same crop of people to office. It doesn't matter what party they belong to, they are the same. The only difference is the rhetoric they use to keep the various sheeple happy. Dems have there sheeple and Repubs have theirs. Both groups keep voting against there own best interests, and expecting a different result each time. I have a feeling the second amendment is going to be major issue in the next few years. I'm not alone, since gun and ammo sales have skyrocketed in the last six months and show few signs of slowing down. Wonder what that means,huh?


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Originally Posted by Allen Owen
I understand AG Holder has argued before the Supreme Court that no one has the right to own firearms, just the police and military.
No kidding, really? shocked

Source please. Anyone. That's amazing.


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Here is Lou Dobbs, a mainstream news anchor



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Originally Posted by Allen Owen
I will never give up my guns. I'll die in a hail of gunfire first.
I've been that afraid before.
I'm not going to do that anymore.
That meaning I may die in a hail of gunfire. I may be raped or otherwise brutalized.
So be it. I will protect myself and my family with all my might but usually circumstances don't dictate time to make really good decisions. You know?
Once I woke up to the sound of breaking glass in my little condominium. I jerked up and ran to the depth of my closet and grabbed a baseball bat. I ran downstairs to find my back door broken into and the perpetrator ran off when he saw me.
Y'all have your guns.
I won't lobby to take them away from you. Frankly I'm not sure whether you have the right to have them or not.
I'm too stupid to understand what the original writers wanted/thought was good (I think all that is outdated anyway)



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So what will you do, then, if you find ourselves under the bootheel of a tyrant? Just get along as best you can and hope the polizei don't kill you? Or do you want to live in a dictatorship? Excuse me, an "enlightend dictatorship". I guess I'm just "outdated" for wanting my liberty. This is more than just having a shotgun for skeet, or hunting. Or even defending yourself from some punk. This is about being able to throw off the yoke of an oppressor, even if that oppressor is your own government. Especially your own government. The Founders were traitors to the Crown after all. Hope it never has to come to that, but I have this sick feeling that it will. And a lot of folks are stockpiling, it seems, with guns and ammo being backordered. Maybe, getting ready for a fight.


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Allen, I don't see armed resistance as a solution to America's fascist leaning. It's not workable and Afghanistan is not a comparable example of armed resistance. We must use the system to change the system. Frankly the idea is preposterous.




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Y'all have your guns.
I'll join Emma and Olyve on this one and go gunless...just as I have all my life. Which includes plenty of walking alone to the subways/trains at night in NYC. Interesting that, at least on this thread, the women will take their chances, while most of the men seem to need the protection of a gun.


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Count me as one of the men who isn't most of the men.

Yours, gunlessly,


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