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Ah hah. So it was my spoofing the "haters" with the term "anti-gunowner". How prescient of me.;-)
Yours in a laid-back, easygoing, live and let live frame o' mind,
Issodhos Yes, you are widely regarded as a person of many talents. Yours in appreciation ;-) Ardy
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I couldn't say that they speak in concert, Ardy. In fact, some are fairly radical to my way of thinking.
If I am going camping in the wilderness or desert for a week (not sleeping in campgrounds) I'm taking a firearm. Wouldn't you? Would all the above organizations support my doing that? Mic, I do not claim to be an expert on any of those organizations. But, just based upon what they SAY about the issues that concern them... I see no reason whey any of those organizations should be concerned about you being in the wilderness with a fire arm? Also, I think there is a bit of a difference between an organization actively supporting your decision to have a fire arm in the wilderness, vs. trying to create impediments for that particular decision. And while it may likely be true that some of the listed organizations might be radical in your way of thinking... that characterization does not seem applicable to the bulk of the organizations... and in that sense maybe we can agree that "some" people and organizations favor changes in gun regulations that you feel is radical... while many others do not. And most people who have opinions about this topic are not members of any of these organizations... and therefore it seems reasonable to conclude that most people who favor stronger gun regulations are not inherently radical in their opinions on this subject. Just as I would say that there are a lot of people who really like guns and their rights to own guns... without necessarily being radical about their opinions either.
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It depends on the business and the owner. We can't know for certain and that alone is a deterrent. The fact remains that unless the owner has a sign saying that the owner and employees are not armed they may in fact be armed.
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"Protected by Smith & Wesson" on the door of a business would give bad guys pause, no? They'd perhaps look for a target less threatening. I'm fairly certain they'd be more likely to choose the business with "The owners and employees within are unarmed" sign. Here's where we need to be looking at actual data. But remember, your original example was about a meth freak on a rampage, not about a criminal enterprise carefully planning a heist. That's what I was responding to. I was going to reply comparing members of Congress to meth freaks, but then I realized one could easily compare Congress to a criminal enterprise as well. Nonetheless, I would agree that from what I understand about tweakers signs on the door of any sort are probably ignored.
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Why would I care about such a comparison, stereoman? I have not made an arguement for or against firearms on campus.:-) OK. Perhaps someone else involved in the discussion would be interested. It wasn't a demand, just a suggestion for the curious of mind.
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Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
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Perhaps what is needed is a mammoth public and governmental effort to civilize Americans so that, among other things, they might become as responsible as Switzers in handling firearms.
Free tickets to symphony orchestras for everyone!
Proper etiquette taught in all public schools!
Ban all movies except European cinema!
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No more generally laughing for the hell of it, grab assing, screwing off or having spontaneous fun. Oh, and we'd have to be punctual, which would be a real problem for Mick. Come to think of it no more laughing, grab assing, screwing off or having spontaneous fun would be a real problem for Mick. And we'd all have to sit on top of mountains and blow those long cough drop horns! Ehhhhh, I don't know. Might not be worth it.
But then there'd be great chocolate and also fondue. I'm not a fondue kinda guy and I can live without chocolate.
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I'm down for banning everything but European cinema. That would my vote straight away. If I never see a teen movie, a sport team overcoming impossible odds movie, a couple who love each other but can't work it out but after time do movie, a Brat Pitt and/or Angela Jolie movie again it will be too soon.
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I'm not a fondue kinda guy and I can live without chocolate. That'll get ya shot in Switzerland.
Good coffee, good weed, and time on my hands...
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Perhaps what is needed is a mammoth public and governmental effort to civilize Americans so that, among other things, they might become as responsible as Switzers in handling firearms. Oh hail, no! We've just about been externally 'civilized' now to the point of devolving back down to the level of Eastern Civilization in general and the near dead culture of China in particular.;-) Yours in protest, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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