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Originally Posted by Allen Owen
The issue seems to boil down to this: Do you trust the government or don't you? Gun control proponents(liberals, I guess) seem to have a rather naive trust in goverment when demicans are in control and rail against the "man" when the republicrats are in control.
I don't see where you get that from, Allen. Has someone in this discussion, other than you, suggested that Second Amendment rights are interpreted on the basis of how much trust one puts in the government? Many other discussions we have here at the Rant are very much about "trusting the government", but no one else connects "trusting" with Second Amendment rights - except you.

Your comment about the "naivety" of "liberals" is insulting and disrespectful, especially since it is based on an argument that no one except yourself has put forth.

Originally Posted by Allen Owen
It seems to make the government types nervous, all those armed folk out there who may one day,after being treated like serfs for far too long, rise up, and, well, kill them.
Does it? Where's your evidence? Are you suggesting that our nation would be better off being governed by extortion than by bribery? I'm not sure I like either of those options.


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Seems Allen Owen made the same point re conservatives, Steve..

Originally Posted by Allen Owen
I don't trust the government, and it doesn't matter to me what wing of the same bird is in control. They are all the same,and until people come to realize it, we will be doing this dance again. Only then it will be with the republicrats ,and then conservatives(I guess) will have the naive trust in government and will accuse us of being unpatriotic if we don't go for their hairbrained schemes.
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I am sick of this whole left/right, liberal/conservative bullcrap. This stupid, insane dualistic mentality that everyone else seems unable or unwilling to divest themselves of. I have seen this country slide deeper and deeper into some kind of Orwellian nightmare since at least 2001 and it's just getting worse and worse.


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Well yeah, but I wasn't insulted by the reference to conservatives. wink


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I think that people who imagine that a bunch of armed vigilantes can defeat a modern totalitarian state have been watching too many old movies and need to study political science and economics.

Change will come through the collapse of failed institutions (as we are seeing now); it will be directed by those who understand the nuts-and-bolts of political organization and electoral procedure.

However, I admit that it might be useful to learn how to hack computers, just in case.

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Sadly, as we have seen over the last 2 weeks Americans are flipping out and taking the lives of other Americans with them. Often the crazies don't know the people they are trying to kill. Sometimes they kill their own families before they kill themselves. Now maybe they are killing cops because in their twisted minds cops are against them and cops represent the will of the government; somehow, to them, it is the police who are at fault.

As the economy becomes worse - and only the very rich and the very ignorant would believe otherwise - we will likely see more and more public violence.

If victims and others present at the immigration center in Binghamtom, NY had been carrying concealed weapons how many people would have died? We don't know. If people working at the nursing home in North Carolina would have been carrying concealed how many people would have died.? We don't know. I would assume fewer people would have died in both situations.

Expecting things to become worse in America and knowing that there are certainly more crazies out there and more senseless violence will occur, probably more often, what - if anything - are you planning to do differently?

I am saddened that we may reached the point that it may be prudent to alter our daily lives even if it just means being vigilant or planning ahead as to how you would act or react to different scenarios.

The media tell us the increase in gun purchases is all about fear of Obama banning firearms. That may be a contributing factor, but I suspect that more and more people see an increasing need for personal safety.

Recently, I read, that somewhere last Saturday a woman pulled up the the drive-thru at a McDonalds and became upset because at that time of the morning McDonalds was only serving breakfast. When the woman pulled her car around to the drive-thru window a man got out of the car she was driving and fired a shotgun several times at the drive thru window. Fortunately no one was hurt. As far as I know they still have not caught the woman and the man.

I don't know if there was another car in line behind the shooter's car. It doesn't sound as if there was. What if? What might have happened if there was another car in line and no way for the people in the second or third or more cars to get away from the situation? How prepared would you be in that situation?




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Originally Posted by Slipped Mickey
Sadly, as we have seen over the last 2 weeks Americans are flipping out and taking the lives of other Americans with them. Often the crazies don't know the people they are trying to kill.

Welcome to the Excited States of Hysteria.

We may all be murdered on the streets, but at least we will have protected the sacred Second Amendment.

Perhaps the Constitution is a suicide pact.

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Originally Posted by Slipped Mickey
Recently, I read, that somewhere last Saturday a woman pulled up the the drive-thru at a McDonalds and became upset because at that time of the morning McDonalds was only serving breakfast. When the woman pulled her car around to the drive-thru window a man got out of the car she was driving and fired a shotgun several times at the drive thru window.

With all the stories of this type, there seems more than a little irony in having a topic about "Gun Control Freaks Go(ing) Wild"

When was the last time anyone was injured... let alone killed... by a Gun Control Freak Gone Wild?

If gun control is the problem.... then perhaps we should require each postal clerk to have a loaded gun behind the counter... that would make us all feel safer when we visit the post office.


Given the cited news item, it may be a good idea to arm all fast food emplyees too.

Heck, why stop there... lets arm all day care workers... and all nursing home workers... and for that matter all nursing home
residents... and perhaps even all day care children.

We could stop checking for guns at Federal buildings and instead offer a gun rental program for anyone entering a Federal Facility

THERE is the recipe for a safe society

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Originally Posted by Ardy
When was the last time anyone was injured... let alone killed... by a Gun Control Freak Gone Wild?

ROTFMOL ROTFMOL ROTFMOL ROTFMOL

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Originally Posted by Ardy
When was the last time anyone was injured... let alone killed... by a Gun Control Freak Gone Wild?

Hmmm.... I guess it would depend on how many people have died because they were denied an adequate means of defense. Might be even more interesting to figure out how many females have been raped because Gun control freaks helped to deny them an adequate means of defense. But then, I guess their responsibility stops at the edge of feelsgoodville. hyuk Hyuk.;-)
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