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[quote=Ardy]A couple of interesting factoids... The majority of gun deaths in this country result from suicide (I make no judgement here) Also I found this.... CDF Gun Report: 2,827 Child, Teen Deaths by Firearms in One Year Exceed Total U.S.
Combat Fatalities During Three Years in Iraq I think the tottler cut-off age should be extended from the 19 year old thug to the 28 year old thug, don't you, Ardy? Statistics. Doncha love 'em? They're so .. so .. well, so flexible, aren't they?:-)) Yours, Issodhos Lets see... the headline said "child, teen deaths".... I guess where I come from no one would confuse a teen and a todler... and very few people have asserted as you apparently do that it is an inappropirate flexibility of statistics to consider a 19 year old person to be a teen Also, you seem to be rather unique in your assertion that a 19 year old is functionally equivalent to a 28 year old.
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No one is saying give everyone guns,
Yours,
Issodhos But I surmise that you would agree the we would all be safer if everyone did have guns... with out us having to give those guns to them.
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
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Also, you seem to be rather unique in your assertion that a 19 year old is functionally equivalent to a 28 year old. That may prove to be the most provocative thought I have ever seen on CHB. Particularly when read in full context.
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But having lived through fear didn't make me live in fear. I'd still rather trust the world than not. If I'd shot and killed the two guys, I'd have carried that guilt forever. As it is, I see it as their problem, not mine.) I hear you, Naomi and admire you very much. I just wanted to acknowledge what you wrote. I would add I would hope that I would feel that same way too. I think it's empowering.
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But having lived through fear didn't make me live in fear. I'd still rather trust the world than not. If I'd shot and killed the two guys, I'd have carried that guilt forever. As it is, I see it as their problem, not mine.) I hear you, Naomi and admire you very much. I just wanted to acknowledge what you wrote. Me too... For what it is worth.... I have been robbed once at gun point, and physically assaulted and robbed another time. In both circumstances I could never have protected myself if I had carried a gun. And, I would say that in both circumstances I had lingering feelings of violation... and would not even want to try imagining my feelings if it had been a rape.
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
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Lets see... the headline said "child, teen deaths"....
I guess where I come from no one would confuse a teen and a todler... and very few people have asserted as you apparently do that it is an inappropirate flexibility of statistics to consider a 19 year old person to be a teen Oh come now, Ardy. You are as aware as I am that when this statistic is thrown around (and it is a very old chestnut) by the media, or by various gun-control organizations and other freaks, they used to purposefully leave off the "teen" thing. The fact that the usual suspects have begun to edge slightly more toward the truth after having been called on it over and over does not alter how it was meant to be perceived. I mean, really, Ardy.;-) Yours in good humor, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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No one is saying give everyone guns,
Yours,
Issodhos But I surmise that you would agree the we would all be safer if everyone did have guns... with out us having to give those guns to them. You would surmise incorrectly, Ardy. Though, I suspect, we would all be a lot more polite toward each other.:-) Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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For what it is worth.... I have been robbed once at gun point, and physically assaulted and robbed another time. In both circumstances I could never have protected myself if I had carried a gun. Well, Ardy, that is where a thing called "choice" comes into play. Feel free to not defend yourself or others while allowing others to make a different choice.:-) Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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No one is saying give everyone guns,
Yours,
Issodhos But I surmise that you would agree the we would all be safer if everyone did have guns... with out us having to give those guns to them. You would surmise incorrectly, Ardy. Though, I suspect, we would all be a lot more polite toward each other.:-) Yours, Issodhos meaning scared of each other
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No one is saying give everyone guns,
Yours,
Issodhos But I surmise that you would agree the we would all be safer if everyone did have guns... with out us having to give those guns to them. You would surmise incorrectly, Ardy. Though, I suspect, we would all be a lot more polite toward each other.:-) Yours, Issodhos meaning scared of each other It was a joke, olyve.;-) Yours, Issodhos
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