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Welcome, Chance.
We are aware that our government is too much controlled by moneyed interests who do not share the needs of the overall population. It has also been observed that the two party system is flawed. Sadly though our is the only one we've got. The population, slow to stir, has at least wrested control from the Conservative Wing of the beast. Hence we have these "Tea Parties" where the Conservatives have begun biting at the nuts of the Progressives in a show of defiance of the rule of the majority. AS Mellow has suggested though, this Whitehouse might bite back.

What I think is particularly funny is that most of these people don't drink tea....

Chance, like you I was a Ron Paul supporter, and a very early one at that.
He left his phone number but alas too few called back, and his own party destroyed him.

I've also listened to my share of Alex Jones.
Despite the hystrionics and all the pop fads like the crusade against water fluoridation etc he does manage to make some good points. If you can sift carefully Alex's shows will give you factual information.
And, I still support Jones's position on the UN, the Federal Reserve, fiat currency in general, the money elite.

The problem, as I see it, is that without a global revolution, the kind in which literally hundreds of millions, even billions, may lose their lives, there is little or no chance that institutions like the Fed will ever go down, unless by their own doing, attacks by aliens from Mars, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, you name it.
The Fed simply isn't going away and neither is the notion by billions of ignorant humans that credit is somehow a definition of wealth.
This ignorance is almost hard-wired into many people's DNA it seems, and therefore institutions like the Federal Reserve (and their counterparts all over the world) can continue to "print" worthless fiat currencies and feed the ignorance that somehow powerful and wealthy elites have their best interests at heart.

The only way I have found to fight back is to use credit as little as possible, or not at all, and to follow my own personal conservative convictions which are largely moral ones and not political anyway.

In order to live successfully, to survive that is, I find it necessary to support whatever political machinery benefits my immediate needs at the time. It's a pragmatism borne of fifty-two years of feeling like a piece of plankton fighting against the tidal gravity of the ocean.

Vietnamese rice farmers were asked whether they supported the regime of Nguyen Kao Ky or Ho Chi Minh and they had no reply because regardless of which one came to power, they continued to plant the same rice in the same fields year in and year out.
This is, politically speaking, where we are at right now in this country whether or not we realize it or admit it.

The economic consequences which might put us into those rice fields have yet to fully come about, but make no mistake about it they are there. The wealthy money elites will not be planting this year or the next, but they will descend upon those fields like locusts to collect what they believe is their share of the harvest and my only moral duty is to poison that harvest as best I can in order to kill off as many of them as possible in retribution for what they've done.

There is only one strong and fast set of rules in this world that I've found to be consistent throughout:
The strong rule over and prey upon the weak, the ignorant sabotage the will of the intelligent and the fearful cling to the yoke that their masters have made for them.
The day that any one of those three rules change is the day that we can start to bring about positive change but as long as all three are still in place I will fare best in the latter group, despite the fact that I choose anger over fear.

And in the meantime I patiently wait to see if there will ever be an epiphany wherein one of those rules falls by the wayside. My anger keeps me strong and clearheaded, and ready to volunteer.
That's when a person like Ron Paul will have a chance, that's when change will come about.
But in the meantime I need to eat, and there is rice that needs planting in order for that to happen.

And by the way, Greger's sig mentions one of the ways by which people like myself can make a difference, through the cracks where the light gets in.

Perhaps I am too cynical... if that is even possible at this point.... but IMO there have always been, and will always be rich and powerful people. And it is silly to imagine these people will not figure out a way to have a disproportionate impact on our society. It is a delusion to imagine that this situation will ever change.

And so, really, we can only make changes on the margins. We can strive for less bad. Even if Ron Paul were elected, it would not change the congress. The people who run the banks might have different names, but they would be the same people.

For what it is worth, communism/socialism thought it could change things and make everyone "equal." But someone is always more equal. There is no way to have powerful people who do not also have "privilege." And there is no way to keep powerful people from helping their "friends."

IMO the most successful "leveling" revolution was in Cambodia under Pol Pot... and we know how that worked out.

That may be true, but it does not necessarily mean that the lives of ordinary people must be degraded and meaningless.

If the culture of the rich and powerful can be improved, and/or they can be bound with political fetters that make them behave, then things can be better.

Moreover, it is possible that the common people can be educated and learn to think, and see the world aright. It has not yet happened in all of world history, but it is not impossible.

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so how are the tea baggers doing?

how big is this thing....

ok then how hard is it not to make innuendos about this?

damit i did it again.

seriously though, how big are the protests?

Don't know. Don't watch Fox News!!

But the one in DC streaming on CNN looks, and sounds, pretty small.

I had a medical appointment this morning and the TV in the waiting room was, of course, on Faux. They showed the DC "party," never mentioned size and never had a camera angle that would have indicated size. I'm looking forward to ABC News this evening 'cause Fox says the rest of the media won't even cover the event anywhere since they're not "fair and balanced" like Fox is.

Saw a photo on the Post's website of the massive rally in Lafayette Square. Not sure they got to 3 figures, much less 4!

So it may not be as much a matter of fair and balanced as it is a matter of the event being a non event and not newsworthy.