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WaPo Published Polls - on Torture - Jan 21, 2009

** Sorry...can make all the numbers line up...But you'll figure it out.

Support Not Using Torture (numbers in percentages)

All 58

Democrats 71
Democrat Men 65
Democrat Women 75

Republicans 42
Republican Men 34
Republican Women 50

Independents 56
Independent Men 45
Independent Women 66

Consider Using Torture

All 40

Democrats 28
Democrat Men 33
Democrat Women 23

Republicans 55
Republican Men 65
Republican Women 45

Independents 43
Independent Men 55
Independent Women 31

No Opinion

All 2

Democrats 2
Democrat Men 2
Democrat Women 1

Republicans 3
Republican Men 1
Republican Women 6

Independents 2
Independent Men *
Independent Women 3

Support Not Using Torture

Liberal 72
Moderate 57
Conservative 47

Consider Using Torture

Liberal 27
Moderate 42
Conservative 50

No Opinion

Liberal 1
Moderate 1
Conservative 3

Support Not Using Torture

Men 49
Women 65

Consider Using Torture

Men 50
Women 31

No Opinion

Men 1
Women 3

To Summarize the Above Statistics

40% of the people who might be likely to view the pictures, their reaction = have an orgasm.

58% of the people who might be likely to view the pictures, their reaction = express horror, outrage, and believe that crimes have been committed and justice needs to be served.

2% of the people who might be likely to view the pictures, their reaction = shrugs shoulders and says, “So, what the hell does it matter, nothing to do with me, and what could I do about it anyway.”

All of those who believe in lawful due process…standup and be counted!

All of those who believe in “eye for an eye” and screw the legal process…standup and be counted.

Based entirely on the statistics above, there is no doubt that a substantial number of people “don’t support the use of torture”.

But the real questions are…and what’s genuinely most important – IF YOU DON’T SUPPORT THE USE OF TORTURE -- then:

DO YOU BELIEVE IN LAWFUL DUE PROCESS?

OR

WOULD YOU VIOLATE THE LAW TO SATISFY YOUR OWN SENSE OF JUSTICE?

OR

IS THE COURT OF “WORLD OPINION” -- BASED ON MEDIA REPORTS (which as the option to make claim – or not make the claim -- that they have verifiable sources that report to have conclusive evidence) AN ACCEPTABLE WAY TO CONVICT A PERSON OR PERSONS?

How many in the forum trust today’s media corporations…PLEASE standup and be counted!

If any violation of the law (any law) has been committed by anybody…don’t most of us want to see the offenders brought to justice…but under lawful due process? Anything less is Lynch Mob Mentality and Wanting To Take the Law Into Their Own Hands.

If the American government is to attempt to investigate, produce forensic evidence, and based on the aforesaid…make formal legal allegations and charges against any said party who has violated any and all laws related to torture committed during the course of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars…then all such persons have the right to “DUE PROCESS”. THIS IS AMERICA DAMNIT!

Any photos, videos, or audios created during the process of torture…IS EVIDENCE.

Is it at all possible to get a fair trial if the most damaging evidence becomes public domain BEFORE A TRIAL can even take place?

I hate the idea of torture. It’s wrong, period. There is a long list of ethical and legal reasons for not engaging in the practice of torture.

One final little thought…

If you think that the millions of radial Islamic robots around the world went crazy and caused major riot destruction around the globe when the Muhammad Cartoons were published…then just wait until all of the torture pictures are unleashed on the world…and they get to see the REAL AMERICA and VALIDATE WHAT THEY BELIEVED ALL ALONG. These million of people are too ignorant to ever weigh out the truth or evidence. They’ve been oppressed, suppressed, and under a genuine form of religious dictatorship…and they do and believe what they are told.

There is so much to take in consideration before we all…as a lynch mob….request that all of the tabloid pornography torture pictures are let loose to SHOCK THE AMERICANS INTO UNDERSTANDING THEIR SHAMEFUL BEHAVIORS.

IF OUR GOVERNMENT REFUSES to take action and investigate, produce forensic evidence...and charge any persons based on such evidence....then it's time for Americans to standup and be counted and DEMAND JUSTICE...for the sake of all our future generations.

If you want to see more, here's a sample.

More snaps from Abu Ghraib

If you don't want to see more, don't open the link. There's nothing new. Only served to strengthen my view that if we don't follow through, we should be boiled in oil.

Martha...

What a reality to try to grasp... the magnatitude of not only the reality that American leaders ordered the torture of other human beings, but also that we, as a nation, have to bear the shame and humiliation of those acts.

The world won't view these tortures as mere military or political acts of crimes against humanity...but the blame will be placed on every man, woman, and child in America.

And now...before these horrible pictures can be properly used as evidence in a court of law against the real offenders who ordered and perpetrated these acts...they'll become evidence used against our nation as a whole.

There will be a terrible price to be paid in so many ways.

Evolution is sure dragging ass...man, what the hell does it take to really become civilized human beings?

So This Is What Transparency Tastes Like!

is it true?

I love the smell of coverup in the morning..... smells like..... bush

Two interesting and informative items

Dick Cheney makes a startling admission

The Torture Apologia Chart

Link to the actual chart