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I said that the settlements must be stopped and that settlers must retreat from their fanatical philosophy.
Israel's borders are NOT subject to "manifest destiny". ask the canaanites You mean the people who, according to history and archaelogy [but not according to the Bible!], were exactly the same people as the Hebrews?  . A point that is a little off the mark (if my current reading source is accurate) but on point. According to "The Evolution of God" by Robert Wright, the Israelites were the southern tribe and the Caananites the northern tribes of a contiguous region covering much of what is now Palestine and Israel and adjacent land. Wright posits that for various reasons, notable among them being the assaults by the Assyrians on the Caananites, that the tribe of Israel was able to push their god Yaweh and THE God overrriding millenia of polytheism in the entire region. Interesting book, and I only mention what I see as a possible nuance to what you say Numan, in that they may not have been the same peoples, but also not very different and sharing many of the same gods for a great portion of their existences. This would tend to further undermine Jewish claims for territory or even special treatment of any kind. They apparently never were part of an exodus from Egypt but rather just another one of many tribes in the region. That they were forced out of Europe and given land in Palestine hardly seems sufficient basis for our foreign policy in the region. We have stood by the Jewish state long enough for it to be established. If we had any obligation, that is the extent of it. There is no moral or even strategic reason for us to arm and guard Israel any further. They should stand on their own as all other nations must. It is time for the end of the guilt trip.
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But, Phil, that's just not fair, our main interest in the Middle East is oil. What about the massive Israeli Oil reserves? What...you mean there are none.... First of all, the ethno-centric Jewish state of Israel is a small, resource-poor country, with no natural oil resources, and is almost completely dependent on US support in the form of not only massive financial support (billions of US tax dollars yearly) but US military and political cover as well. Israel, quite simply, would not survive as the apartheid, imperialistic, war-mongering Jewish state that it is, without the massive support of the US government. Israel is surrounded by well-deserved, self-made enemies thanks to the initial injustice of the UN unilaterally giving away Arab land that was not theirs to give away in the first place to Eastern European Zionist Jews who have been committing ethnic cleansing and persecution of the indigenous non-Jewish Palestinians ever since 1948. Since that time, Israel has continued to aggressively steal even more Arab land and has blatant ambitions to control the entire Middle East, using the power and might of the United States. If more Americans were truly aware of how racist and imperialistic Israel is, they would most likely demand that our government stop supporting Israel at all until it is transformed into a true democracy for all regardless of religion, race or gender, as the world pressured South Africa to transform from an apartheid country to a true democracy sourceI'm at a bit of a loss here, what is it that the United States gets in return for all this financial and military support? Is it really nothing but a guilt trip, Phil? I feel sorry for the Jews and what happened to them but I also feel sorry for the American Indians and a variety of other people who got the shitty end of the stick as world history bulldozed it's way along. Israel has been given much, they haven't used it wisely.
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