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That wasn't directed at me, was it? It was only Tuesday the church made these statements. No, The Church. Talk about getting upset at things retroactively, Pete's sake!  I know, I guess they needed enough time to build up their self righteous indignation (though it's usually instant). They're taking a page from the fundamentalist playbook on the persecution complex though, I guess the lower attendance is driving them cuckoo. I will say that the whole "the pope used to be a nazi youth" thing makes their statements that much more outrageous... but, I admire them for going all out. None of that lightweight "half-insane" stuff for these guys, they're balls to the wall Crazy- Eddie-giving-away-the-whole-store!!! nuts. 
We are constantly invited to be who we are. Henry David Thoreau
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They're taking a page from the fundamentalist playbook on the persecution complex though, I guess the lower attendance is driving them cuckoo. ...doesn't take much to push "them" over the edge, does it? ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/crazy.gif) ..."they're" so emotionally vulnerable. ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/comfort.gif)
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A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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President Obama will sign a memorandum Wednesday granting health care and other benefits to the same-sex partners of federal employees, two senior administration officials said.
President Obama has been criticized by gay rights activists for not doing more since taking office.
The signing will take place in the Oval Office and follows sharp criticism of the president over a Justice Department motion filed last week in support of the Defense of Marriage Act -- which opposes same-sex marriage -- that used the government's interest in opposing incestuous marriages to support its position against same-sex marriage.
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So how does this signing co-exist with federal DOMA?
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The Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, is the short title of a federal law of the United States passed on September 21, 1996 as Public Law No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419. Its provisions are codified at 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C. The law has two effects:
1. No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) needs to treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.
2. The federal government may not treat same-sex relationships as marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states. Giving federal workers equal benefits has nothing to do with marriage, by the law's own language. And what better way to force the issue to repeal DOMA? I think it is a savvy move on Obama's part.
Life is a banquet -- and most poor suckers are starving to death -- Auntie Mame
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As I understand it, President Obama is using his authority as Executive to address administration of benefits by Regulatory Agencies. DoMA is legislation. My personal feeling is that it is patently unconstitutional, but that is not something that the current Supreme Court is likely to do. He has the same problem with DADT, which had previously been deemed constitutional.
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Gotcha NW P - one's regulatory, one's legislation.
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Here's an ironic twist. Usually it is the proponents of equality that have to turn to the courts to vindicate their views. Now the forces of intolerance are taking their case to court to try to block human rights, decency, and equality. Judge Asked to Block Decision Opponents of gay marriage filed a lawsuit in D.C. Superior Court yesterday hoping to force a referendum on whether to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions.
The civil suit against the District's Board of Elections and Ethics asks Judge Judith E. Retchin to overturn an election board ruling Monday that blocked a proposal to put the issue before the voters. Citing a District election law prohibiting votes on matters covered under the 1977 Human Rights Act, which outlaws discrimination against gay men, lesbians and other minority groups, the board said that a referendum would "authorize discrimination."
The plaintiffs asked for an expedited hearing. If the court or Congress does not intervene, recognition of same-sex marriages performed elsewhere will become law early next month, at the end of the required congressional review period.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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ACTIVIST JUDGES
i believe thats the phrase that will come back to haunt
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
(Philip K.Dick)
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