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It may surprise you to know, Skyhawk, that I have a life, out side of this site. However, I am back! Must have been sleeping, eh?
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Excellent! That was almost droll, Skyhawk!
You seem to have some embers of humor in your nature; I hope that you will fan them into a brighter fire!
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Excellent! That was almost droll, Skyhawk!
You seem to have some embers of humor in your nature; I hope that you will fan them into a brighter fire!
. being patronising really persuades people doesnt it?
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." (Philip K.Dick)
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Excellent! That was almost droll, Skyhawk!
You seem to have some embers of humor in your nature; I hope that you will fan them into a brighter fire!
. being patronising really persuades people doesnt it? 
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Numan~Here I must challenge you. Culture or what anyone considers culture is subjective and a matter of taste. And there are some things that can transcend many tastes and be known for both very bad and supreme examples of said culture. I think that we agree much more than we disagree. I think it is wise to make a distinction between taste, which is subjective, and aesthetic judgment, which has a core that is objective, and does not change. I agree with Shakespeare, when he has Hamlet say, "Now this overdone, or come tardy off, though it make the unskillful laugh, cannot but make the judicious grieve, the censure of which, one must in your allowance o'erweigh a whole theatre of others."The objective core of art is notoriously difficult to define, but in a finger-pointing way of defining it, I think it comes down to the traditional cliché of the Good, the True, the Harmonious. As Plato said in the Philebus, "If we are not able to capture the Good in a single idea, we shall do so with three: Beauty, Harmony, and Truth."The highest works of art are those which best permit goodness, truth and harmony to shine through them; that is why Bach and Mozart are greater than any rock-and-roll or heavy metal music. It may be objected that even in heavy metal music, American militarism and Nazi ritual there are aesthetic components which have a certain "beauty" of their own. This is true, but to become Platonic, these are very dim, fading shadows of the true Beauty which shines forth in the great works of Art. In general, whatever aesthetic components such trash possesses are merely formal, superficial craftsmanship and illuminate true Beauty very ill. Bach, on the other hand, raises us to a transcendent realm where we glimpse what the angels sing to God. Germany produced Bach, and many, many other towering figures in the arts. Europe is resplendent with Great Art. The United States produced Elvis. American barbarism, if it had any sense, would bend the knee and worship at the shrine of European Greatness. .
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being patronising really persuades people doesnt it? And flattering their vanity rarely causes them to think. .
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And flattering their vanity rarely causes them to think. We'll remember not to do that to you, numan. 
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Trying to avoid those that have been mentioned and granting that even the best can produce clunkers, I offer for consideration:
Arthur Miller Eugene O'Neill Stephen Crane H.L. Mencken Lillian Hellman Cecil B. deMille W. D. Griffith Frank Baum Robert Frost Gwendolyn Brooks Frank Norris Clifford Odets William Faulkner Gene Kelly Langston Hughes Louisa May Alcott Jack Wolf Washington Irving Harper Lee Ernie Kovacs Robin Williams Charles Schultz Al Capp Jim Henson Walt Disney
for starters
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im not interested in over praise. i said you can even find a way to denigrate it [jazz] and my point is bolstered by this comment, written by you: But jazz is the product of an oppressed minority of the US population; the dominant culture had no hand in its creation --- other than to make so many millions of their fellow Americans so miserable that they could only find an outlet for their feelings in musical creation. I fear that your emotions of righteous indignation are causing you to say something which you do not mean. I might be accused (even though unjustly) of denigrating the dominant culture of the USA, but there is not the slightest degree of criticism of jazz in the statement which you quoted. . first, do not pretend to tell me what i mean. you may well possess a great deal of rote knowledge and you might even have a bit of that old high brow palate, but your intelligence is centered in your ego and your arrogance knows no bounds. yes, yes, we are called upon here to avoid such remarks but it is impossible to sit back and watch this go on without saying it outright. too bad for you, numan - interesting nomenclature by the way - because you are missing out on so much of the beauty that is life from the perch where you have placed yourself. i hope one day you will come down off that self-imposed perch and join the rest of us low brows by enjoying the dirt and grime and toil that is the human race. it's actually one of the finest places i have ever been and i have been just about every place a person could possibly go. good luck to you on your journey, i hope you find what you're looking for.
sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!
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And flattering their vanity rarely causes them to think. We'll remember not to do that to you, numan.  I cannot remember any instance of you sinking to that level of vulgarity.  .
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