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Numan~Here I must challenge you. Culture or what anyone considers culture is subjective and a matter of taste. And there are some things that can transcend many tastes and be known for both very bad and supreme examples of said culture. You seem to be well-read, well-informed and well-experienced. You know what you like, what you think is sensible and can articulate very well that which is your opinion. I respect that and have agreed with you on several points. But I think.IMHO, that you do have a very anti-American view that colors any feeling towards and actually inhibits objectivity to anything produced or practiced by this country. i.e, when you damned Jazz with faint praise.
Americans have shown several instances of bad taste, bad music, bad art, bad dance, bad sense and bad actions. But that is not the strict purvue of Americans. That is a human condition and world-wide.
As I said on the RT, where this was first introduced by you. What one considers great or terrible is a matter of personal taste. I like American Blue, you prefer Canadian Red. One is better to me, the other to you. Neither wrong, just different.
I do have to admit, that I have liked most of your choices. You have shown a truly sophisticated palate and caused me to look over some of my own choices to enjoy all over again. I give you thanks for that.
milk and Girl Scout cookies ;-)
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I'm fond of John Henry Twachtman's work. He was an American.
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John Wayne in "The Searchers".:-)
Yours in an artsy-fartsy mood,
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"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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Iss, you and I agree. The Searchers is one of my favorites and one of the best movies ever made. In fact, I like anything directed by John Ford, including The Grapes of Wrath with Henry Fonda, which I saw a few weeks ago.
I will also add, in the painting category, N.C. Wyeth. Pure American.
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"I believe very deeply that compassion is the route not only for the evolution of the full human being, but for the very survival of the human race." —The Dalai Lama
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since you bring up the grapes of wrath, let us not forget steinbeck.
sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!
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Absolutely, 2wins. I mentioned him the other day in the other thread.
"I believe very deeply that compassion is the route not only for the evolution of the full human being, but for the very survival of the human race." —The Dalai Lama
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Gee.... where'd numan go?? 
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It may surprise you to know, Skyhawk, that I have a life, out side of this site. However, I am back!
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Perhaps you would agree to be philosopher king of the world and save us all from ourselves? I would attempt to save only those who could be saved. Triage, you know. Is it your (objective) assertion that economic crisis started with the creation of the USA and would never recur if the USA was to disappear? which nation do you propose as standard bearer whose leaders never make mistakes. Which country in history has achieved great power and not abused that power? Which nation has achieved a political system devoid of corruption by the wealthy? Which nation is populated by people that are not human, but near god-like in their disdain for seeking personal benefit? Where is the Valhalla that we should all reference with adoration? Thank you, Ardy, for pointing out the shortcomings of American society even more forcefully than I have --- even though it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. .
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im not interested in over praise. i said you can even find a way to denigrate it [jazz] and my point is bolstered by this comment, written by you: But jazz is the product of an oppressed minority of the US population; the dominant culture had no hand in its creation --- other than to make so many millions of their fellow Americans so miserable that they could only find an outlet for their feelings in musical creation. I fear that your emotions of righteous indignation are causing you to say something which you do not mean. I might be accused (even though unjustly) of denigrating the dominant culture of the USA, but there is not the slightest degree of criticism of jazz in the statement which you quoted. .
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