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First of all, thanks Mellow and Olyve and others for your emails on my behalf. I never should have even written the first word.

Second, one of my earliest memories is a book of poems by Robert Service. We loved those in my family and often read them out loud. My father's favorite was "The Cremation of Sam McGee" and he always read it in a scary voice.

There's a song by Bob Dylan that always reminded me of a Robert Service story.

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We came to the pyramids all embedded in ice.
He said, "There's a body I'm tryin' to find.
If I carry it out it'll bring a good price."
'Twas then that I knew what he had on his mind.

The wind it was howlin' and the snow was outrageous.
We chopped through the night and we chopped through the dawn.
When he died I was hopin' that it wasn't contagious,
But I made up my mind that I had to go on.


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From a logical perspective, America has been peopled by settlers mostly from Europe (initially) And later on, from all over the world.

Is there a reason why these people would arrive on these shores and lose any previous inclination towards arts and letters? Or is there some presumption that the governments of Europe had some policies that were essential for the creativity of Beethoven and Shakespeare?

I've been thinking along those lines, too, Ardy. After all, there are very few real Americans. Maybe it's because the US is still in its childhood, compared to much of the rest of the world. We just haven't been around that long.

People tend to cling to their ethnicities for at least a couple/few generations. But their backgrounds and cultures, of necessity, commingle and interact daily. There won't be a solid and exclusively American base to evolve from for decades to come...if ever.

And that's okay. It is what it is. (As Numan has said, it's best to have no reaction at all.)


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Originally Posted by numan
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The only other possible contender for the title of the "Great American Novel" is Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita. It is an extended, sophisticated metaphor about Europe's rape of America and America's corruption of Europe.
If one applies enough PoMo, one can find "sophisticated metaphor about Europe's rape of America and America's corruption of Europe" in a McDonald's menu. I think it was probably a rather straight forward story about a pedophilic sexual pervert who attempted to place the blame for his feelings and actions on a young girl -- you know, the whole blame-the-victim thing.

As to which nation is deficient artistically, relative to others, it should be with another nation -- not a geographic region (e.g., Europe). It's an apples and oranges thingie.

Also, I have found that, for me, art is to be enjoyed and appreciated for its own sake regardless of the nationality of the artist. It is such a time saver if one does not get overly distracted by the analysis and categorization of "Truth, Beauty, and Harmony", don't you think?:-)
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Absolutely, and well put, Issodhos.


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very nice, iss. very nice.



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Originally Posted by issodhos
I think it [Lolita] was probably a rather straight forward story about a pedophilic sexual pervert who attempted to place the blame for his feelings and actions on a young girl --

To regard anything written by Vladimir Nabokov as straight-forward is a very unsophisticated view of his artistic accomplishment.

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Originally Posted by Almost Naomi
But most, if not all, the good people on this board are not destroying the Earth.

This is clearly untrue. There is not a single person alive today who is not abetting the destruction of life on Earth. In the words of Isaiah:

"We are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteous acts are as filthy rags."

There is not the slightest possibility of changing this situation until we all clearly realize our own ecological sins, and the sins committed in our name.

Above all, we should be furiously angry with our rulers forcing us to be ecological sinners! (For example, by their willful inefficiency in urban planning, and by destroying almost all other means of transport than internal-combustion vehicles)

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Originally Posted by numan
Originally Posted by Almost Naomi
But most, if not all, the good people on this board are not destroying the Earth.

This is clearly untrue. There is not a single person alive today who is not abetting the destruction of life on Earth. In the words of Isaiah:

"We are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteous acts are as filthy rags."

There is not the slightest possibility of changing this situation until we all clearly realize our own ecological sins, and the sins committed in our name.

Above all, we should be furiously angry with our rulers forcing us to be ecological sinners! (For example, by their willful inefficiency in urban planning, and by destroying almost all other means of transport than internal-combustion vehicles)

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Including you, Numan, I take it.


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