Originally Posted by AustinRanter
I can't see where Obama is above this system of government. I don't think he has the power to really make an impact against corp/lobbyists since he's a product of that system.

I am afraid I just do not understand the relevant expectations....

If Obama were a dictator.... then I would say yes, hold him fully responsible. But we do have a congress with a constitutional role. If anything, these folks are the most beholding to corporate influence.

I would like to see any sort of evidence that corporate influence now is remotely like it was under tom delay and bush

Realistically, it is the case now and will always be the case that people with money will find ways to influence policy.

I really fail to see the logic by which anyone could reasonably expect that would change in 9 months by the election of any man as president.... take your choice.... Kucinich, Nader???? you tell me exactly how these folks would abrogate the influence of senators and congressmen? How exactly does that work?

Let's say Nader or Kucinich is president... how exactly do they get to universal health care without the congress?



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