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There's not going to be no stinkin' war with Iran. The Green Revolution taking place now will take care of the regime change.

And as I have said many times A POX ON BOTH THIER HOUSES

As a New Jerseyian, I have to differ with you that New Jersey represents a trend in this just because Jon Corzine lost. At the beginning of the year, Chris Christie held a double digit lead against Corzine. By mid October, due to Christie's bungling, both candidates were dead even (they really are both idiots IMHO, but I won't expand on that).

By the beginning of November, Corzine had a small lead on Christie and it was beginning to look like he was going to actually pull out a second term. Then, the weekend before the election, he told the New York Times that his plan to raise the tolls by up to 800% was back on the table, and bingo! quick as that, Jon Corzine lost the election.

The voters in New Jersey were just beginning to feel their pockets weren't going to be picked by Mr. Corzine and then he went and blew it by telling them he's going to not only pick their pockets, but he's going to take the pocket lint too.

As for Mr. Christie. Well, he's going to be a even bigger nightmare than Christie Whitman was. She left us with a multibillion $ albatross called Parson's that we'll be paying for for years to come.

At least Jim McGreavy did one thing for us. He managed to fix the DMV and make it a pleasant place to do business. I suspect that will be the first place Christie will ruin, given it does nothing but generate revenue for NJ.

Tim, the bailouts were begun by President Bush and then head of the Federal Reserve, Benjamin Shalom Bernanke. None of us liked the bailouts, none of us liked the concept of "too big to fail" The bailouts continued under President Obama and the current head of the Federal Reserve, Benjamin Shalom Bernanke.
I don't think you stood alone with your wingnut friends in your disapproval of the bailouts. Would we be in full recovery now without the bailouts? I doubt it. Would housing have recovered? Would the job market have improved? Would consumer spending have resumed at it's former breakneck pace?
And who would have absorbed the massive losses when the banks went down? Were your savings safe? or would your bank with your 411k, have closed its doors and said "tough titty kitty, the milks gone dry." You and your wingnut friends would have simply accepted the losses and gotten on with your lives, right? Or would you have run screaming to the Federal Government to protect your sorry asses against your banks going broke and taking your money with them? Don't bother answering its a rhetorical question.

In 2008 Americans voted for change, in 2010 they are poised to vote against change. Democrats should rethink the healthcare fiasco, in fact they should turn the whole thing over to the republican party, let those who seem to know best craft a better bill. If as you say 99% of Americans are pleased with healthcare in America as it stands, then no reform is needed. That's probably a good thing because no reform is exactly what we are going to get..

Gee, after LYING, LYING BIG and repeating the LIE often, is it any wonder people are scared?
What exactly do you think happens when half a billion dollars gets invested in a propaganda campaign full of lies?

I work in the entertainment industry and I understand how promotion works. News is INFO-tainment. That means that the gears and cogs are shared with ENTER-tainment.

The people are scared, what a crock of bullshit.
They were scared when Orson Welles ran "War of the Worlds" too, but at least back then they found out it was all a joke.

The Republicans will not admit that the death panels and unplugging grandma are a joke.

The low information voter is the stock and trade of the Republican Party

Indeed Checkers. Here's a little quiz. A few of the questions are debatable as far as importance goes IMO but the fact that only 2% of the American public knew all the answers is frightening. Is it any wonder that political parties can take advantage of the public's ignorance?

What would have happened had that $1.7T gone toward bailing out people, not banks and auto manufacturers? I never said that it the Government shouldn't have tried to mitigate the effects of what happened, I think they spent their money in the wrong place.

I am a pro-business Republican. I believe in trickle down and tax cuts. I also beieve in responsibility. The banks failed, let them go under! Take some of the $1.7T and support the various 401K funds. Massive forclosures had been a foregone conclusion for quite some time, too many people buy homes that they couldn't afford. The solution wasn't to buy forclosed homes and return them to the people who failed to pay their bills, the solution was to subsidize interest rates for everybody, lower everybody's monthly payment and collect tax money off of the influx of money into the economy. Instead we bail banks out and nothing changes, except we took more money out of the system for cash for clunkers. The largest benefits were felt by Toyota.

The whole blame Bush, blame Obama crap has to stop. Blame me, I am to blame! We have to take a step back and create a plan of action. Healthcare reform was not a plan of action, it was a power grab, cap and trade was/is going to bankrupt American business, green jobs; yeah right. We need to attack the current economy in systematic and comprehensive way, and we need both sides to do it. We cannot have one party provide a ready made piece of legislation and tell the other side they can try to modify it though the amendment process, and we cannot have one side score cheap political points at the expense of the economy.

Look, Obama used to be smart, maybe he can be again? He used to talk about being bipartisan, maybe he can try to be? The Republicans promised their full support, I guess they never told us when they would provide it.

1) Jobs - We need a program to create jobs. Whether it is in the auto industry we just bought or energy exploration we have to modify the rules to make thise job become available.
2) Tax Cuts - History tells us that they work. I know this is falling on deaf ears, but we need a jolt of cash into the economy and the only way that happens right now is through tax cuts.
3) Extend the Bush Tax Cuts - Raising taxes in the middle of a recession is a bad idea.
4) Implement some kind of estate tax - This is tough for me, I really do believe that the estate tax is grave robbing, but we need money.
5) Cut capital gains - Once again puts more money into the economy.
6) Make a decision on Iraq/Afganistan - Pull em or beat em but get the hell out by the end of 2011.
7) Freeze all expendatures - Everything gets frozen at current levels.

I can't remember the last time I got a 100% on a test. I am going to print it out and put it on the fridge.

Indeed MA. That puts both you and me in the top 98th percentile. A truly frightening prospect.

I got 10 of 12 correct. I missed questions 5,6. (Sorry Cousin It)