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Well--I can't quite buy your argument that BP doesn't give a flying f...about the spill, but I will totally agree with your following statement: And as far as PR disasters, we are so addicted completely and solely, to petroleum, that NOTHING will stop our use of the stuff as long as there is no viable alternative. But since that discussion is off topic I will pursue it no further on this thread.
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Ken, why should they give a rat's ass? The largest fine in history is beer money to them, there's no way in Hell they will be prohibited from doing business, and there's also no way in Hell that they will be forced to permanently destroy the well either. So what does it mean to them? Absolutely nothing except a big inconvenience and some hate mail. Please tell me one good reason, what; that they are honorable people with feelings? No way. Sorry, there is just absolutely no reason why BP should care one bit. In fact, they're probably laughing about it right now, the same way these Enron traders laughed. Grandma Millie - Enron MORE! I will lay real honest good money that BP people are laughing about their accident, Goldman folks are laughing about their little "trouble" and the rest of corporate America's upper level management have a good laugh every single day about "those angry Americans who are gonna take back their country". I do corporate videos on a fairly frequent basis. It's a different atmosphere on the 57th floor of Consolidated Amalgamated Widget Corp. Lizards don't have feelings.
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' The magnitude of the disaster is indicated by the fact that even CBS and 60 Minutes are beginning to tell the truth: Blowout: The Deepwater Horizon Disaster[/b]What strikes Bea is Williams' description of the blowout preventer. Williams says in a drilling accident four weeks before the explosion, the critical rubber gasket, called an "annular," was damaged and pieces of it started coming out of the well.
"According to Williams, when parts of the annular start coming up on the deck someone from Transocean says, ‘Look, don't worry about it.' What does that tell you?" Pelley asked.
"Houston we have a problem," Bea replied.
Here's why that's so important: the annular is used to seal the well for pressure tests. And those tests determine whether dangerous gas is seeping in.
"So if the annular is damaged, if I understand you correctly, you can't do the pressure tests in a reliable way?" Pelley asked.
"That's correct. You may get pressure test recordings, but because you're leaking pressure, they are not reliable," Bea explained....
In finishing the well, the plan was to have a subcontractor, Halliburton, place three concrete plugs, like corks, in the column. The Transocean manager wanted to do this with the column full of heavy drilling fluid - what drillers call "mud" - to keep the pressure down below contained. But the BP manager wanted to begin to remove the "mud" before the last plug was set. That would reduce the pressure controlling the well before the plugs were finished.
Asked why BP would do that, Bea told Pelley, "It expedites the subsequent steps."
"It's a matter of going faster," Pelley remarked.
"Faster, sure," Bea replied.
Bea said BP had won that argument.
"If the 'mud' had been left in the column, would there have been a blowout?" Pelley asked.
"It doesn't look like it," Bea replied. Another triumph of [b]UNREGULATED American Capitalism.
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Well Checkers maybe I am naive and BP honchos are nothing more than reptiles. In this case amphibians. But I think they don't like to PR being generated...who knows. I tend to look for the better side of things and can't help that.
In any case maybe BP and Transocean could inter into another joint venture and hire the band Built to Spill to write some new disaster music for them.
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Did Mobil Exxon suffer after Valdez? Seems to me they recorded record profit last year.
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Did Mobil Exxon suffer after Valdez? Seems to me they recorded record profit last year. ...but it did take Mobil-Exxon at least a decade to recover. By-the-way, isn't the reason there is a Mobil-Exxon because Exxon had to merge because the accident caused so much financial stress for Exxon?
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They never even paid a fraction of the judgments nor costs of recovery Rick. They merged because that is what oligarchies do. Wiki link
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Exxon didn't get the least little bruise from the Valdez spill.
And as far as PR, I keep repeating this but no one believes what I am saying:
Oil companies don't NEED to worry about PR because no matter WHAT, they have a CAPTIVE audience.
When you need to fill your tank, you WILL be doing business with an oil company.
And if you're running out and near "EMPTY" YOU WILL BE buying BP gasoline unless you prefer to WALK, if a BP is the only gas station nearby.
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But their logo these days is supposed to stand for Beyond Petroleum, not British Petroleum. And since the Deepwater Horizon was way out beyond, I suppose there is some truth in their attempted re-branding. But I agree that we all share a little of the blame--at least those of us who drive cars and use any of the endless products made from petroleum. I remember the near ending line from a movie I liked many years ago "Three Days of the Condor" where Higgins of the CIA told Turner (regarding oil--the central theme of the movie):
Not now — then! Ask 'em when they're running out. Ask 'em when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask 'em when their engines stop. Ask 'em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for 'em!
Kind of sums it up.
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I don't accuse Americans of advocating for Big Oil, I am merely acknowledging that we're trapped.
If there is any blame, it's that NO ONE listened to the warnings that went out in the 50's from Hyman Rickover (the press should have seized on that speech immediately) or in 1977 when Carter gave his famous Carter Cardigan speech that said that "energy independence is the moral equivalent of war".
HAD we listened we would probably not be in the position we're in now. But it's unfair to nail every car owner as complicit in this disaster. What are we supposed to do, walk everywhere, fifty miles to work? Buy a pair of oxen and a wagon?
I'm just saying that BP has us over a barrel.
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