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But I think Checkers in this day of the internet and other forms of instant communications it is much more difficult to sweep damning dirt under the rug. 1988 may as well be 1888, both being ancient history. The world will be constantly reminded of this spill and the shenanigans on board the Deepwater Horizon through technology and endless lawsuits.

There is a very deep pocket here and a multitude of underemployed lawyers licking their chops. I think BP will pay long and heavily for this spill. Time will tell but that where my .25 bet resides.


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I suspect that, by now, everybody agrees that BP is at fault, that our regulators were completely bought and paid for, by BP, (we should not forget that MMS, the regulator, is the biggest cash cow next to the IRS)and that the feds seem to be completely confused by it all. We can fight two wars at once, we can send men to the moon and beyond and keep an army of 1.5 million with only small effort (it seems).

This deal, however, seems to have simply boggled our government. Their main concern has been to get the oil turned off and that is a good thing. On the other hand they seem to have completely ignored the incompatibility of oil and the shore/marshes/inlets, etc. I have watched the people down there howl for somebody to help them, to stop the onslaught of the oil, to allow THEM to stop the oil, etc., all to no avail. As one guy said; "The feds are studying everything to exhaustion to stop a disaster that is already happening!" and it would seem that he was right.

Tomorrow, Friday, Obama goes down there. I predict that will be interesting AND entertaining. Given how those people have been treated, my own suspicion is that Obama is not going to have a real easy time of it. I wonder if he can hew to the company line about stopping the oil coming out of the ground whilst simply ignoring the poor devils who are getting screwed over because the richest, most powerful nation in the world could not take time out to make a serious effort to deal with the oil in the water (and on the land, and under the water, and in the birds/fish/turtles/etc).

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Anyone that saw the 60 Minutes story on this disaster, would know who is at fault and why.


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Another thought. I watched the ex head of Shell oil, the other night, talk about this thing. He basically said that he just didn't get it. He knows the people at BP and knows they want to fix the problem. He also said that if it was his well the first thing he would have done is put a super tanker over where the oil is coming up and skim it all into the tanker. He said there is no reason why that wouldn't get over 90% of the oil. he said that could have been done whilst they fix the leak. We, on the other hand, have left it, apparently, ALL up to BP and its pretty obvious that all they want to do is save 'their' well, and little else.

WE, I think, need to change some of our bed partners? (and Obama may need to get a slightly better group of advisors?)

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For good or bad, this disaster is going to hurt the "drill, baby, drill" shouters.


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if it was his well the first thing he would have done is put a super tanker over where the oil is coming up and skim it all into the tanker. He said there is no reason why that wouldn't get over 90% of the oil.

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if it was his well the first thing he would have done is put a super tanker over where the oil is coming up and skim it all into the tanker. He said there is no reason why that wouldn't get over 90% of the oil.

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Which may well explain why he is the ex-CEO.


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if it was his well the first thing he would have done is put a super tanker over where the oil is coming up and skim it all into the tanker. He said there is no reason why that wouldn't get over 90% of the oil.

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Clearly this guy is an expert.

Y'know, if they had only parked a super tanker on top of thiw well. then we would not have had this problem
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Ocean scientists in the Gulf of Mexico have found giant plumes of oil coagulating at up to 1,300 metres below the surface, raising fears that the BP oil spill may be larger than thought – and that it might create huge "dead zones".

Members of the National Institute for Undersea Science and Technology have been traversing the area around the scene of the Deepwater Horizon, the rig that exploded and sank on 20 April.

Using the latest sampling techniques, they have identified plumes up to 20 miles away from the Deepwater Horizon well head that continues to spew oil into the water at a rate of at least 790,000 litres a day. The largest plume found so far was 90 metres thick, three miles wide and 10 miles long.
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Or, maybe it is the case that this oil does not neatly rise up through a mile of ocean water and currents and politely wait for the super tanker to pump it away.

I am not defending BP.... but I really have to think that if there were some very simple solution... they would have tried that.

Is there not also the possibility that oil rising though a mile of ocean and currents spreads out in fairly unpredictable and variable ways?

Here is from Wiki...
note that rather extensive efforts have been taken to try to corral this mess,,, including the fact that the US military almost immediately joined the effort to support as it was able.

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BP, which was leading the cleanup, initially employed remotely operated underwater vehicles, 700 workers, four airplanes and 32 vessels to contain the oil.[67] After the discovery that the undersea wellhead was leaking, the oil cleanup was hampered by high waves on April 24 and 25.[84] According to BP Chief Executive, Tony Hayward, BP will compensate all those affected by the oil spill saying that "We are taking full responsibility for the spill and we will clean it up and where people can present legitimate claims for damages we will honor them. We are going to be very, very aggressive in all of that."[120]

On April 28, the US military announced it was joining the cleanup operation.[69] Doug Suttles, chief operating officer of BP, welcomed the assistance of the US military.[69] The same day, the US Coast Guard announced plans to corral and burn off up to 1,000 barrels (42,000 US gallons; 160,000 litres) of oil on the surface each day. It tested how much environmental damage a small, controlled burn of 100 barrels (4,200 US gallons; 16,000 litres) did to surrounding wetlands, but could not proceed with an open seas burn due to poor conditions.[121][122] By April 29, 69 vessels including skimmers, tugs, barges and recovery vessels were active in cleanup activities. On 30 April, President Barack Obama announced that he had dispatched the Secretaries of Department of Interior and Homeland Security, as well as the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to the Gulf Coast to assess the disaster.[123] The director of the United States Geological Survey (USGS), Marcia McNutt, is leading the flow rate technical group of scientists from the U.S. Coast Guard, NOAA, MMS, the U.S. Department of Energy and academics outside government who are tasked with providing the government with an independent scientific assessment of the scope of the disaster and of BP's efforts to stop the flow of oil.[124][125][126]
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In all of that... it is rather surprising that no one thought to park a super tanker up above to pick up 90% of the oil.....

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i like this. thanks joe. it seems for those who criticize actors for their involvement in various movements, we have one who not only offers his name and voice to a cause, but also puts his money and action where his mouth is. hope this is something that will help this devastating situation.


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