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And regarding a nuclear solution to the Deepwater leak, I'll quote Jon Stewart: "Hey, what could go wrong?"
My worry about trying to blow this thing shut is that I'm used to explosions going the other way. What if the oil companies are (gasp) wrong, and an explosion simply opened the flow further?
This is only a half-serious statement; I truly think we have opened a well we have no clue how to close - and by "we" I mostly mean the drilling experts. I don't think we have any good moves at hand.
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The Nuclear Option. It's entirely possible that the entire Gulf of Mexico will be ruined by this spill if it isn't somehow stopped. The East and West Coasts of Florida, all the States around the Gulf, possibly the entire US East Coast and large parts of the Atlantic. ![[Linked Image from 1.bp.blogspot.com]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fH8pHCeDnn0/TB2XcDNV7OI/AAAAAAAAE0A/whxR3TB6238/s400/oil_current.top.jpg) But then: The well is located in block 252 of the Macondo prospect in the Mississippi Canyon. It has a very challenging geology for drilling. The seabed is composed of turbidite sand bonded with methane hydrates.
Methane hydrates are volatile compounds — natural gas compressed into molecular cages of ice. They are stable in the extreme cold and crushing weight of deepwater, but are extremely dangerous when they build up inside the drill column of a well. If destabilized by heat or a decrease in pressure, methane hydrates can quickly expand to 164 times their volume....
Additionally the hydrate/sand compound has a porosity of 26 - 30 percent. It is not only far more porous than rock, but can fall apart if the methane hydrate holding it together melts, leading to collapses in the seabed. Many believe this is already underway. Scientists are well aware of the awesome power of these strange hydrocarbons. A sudden large scale release of methane hydrates is believed to have caused a mass extinction 55 million years ago. The chances of a nuclear blast accelerating this seem entirely possible to an ignorant observer such as myself. if the seabed were to cave in around the well head, and/or elsewhere over the deposit, the entire reservoir of oil could empty into the gulf, through the Loop Current and into the Gulf Stream. No wonder this is being compared to Pandora's Box; humans opening up something that they have no real control over and setting in motion a terrible chain reaction. This certainly has the potential to become a mass extinction event, unseen in human history and the only hope of preventing it is a couple of relief wells, that may or may not work. Not to be alarmist or anything...
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It's entirely possible that the entire Gulf of Mexico will be ruined by this spill if it isn't somehow stopped. let me refer you to this new thread and subsequent video i posted this morning. for anyone concerned about this situation, this talk by the wife of a commercial fisherman must be heard. Link Here
sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!
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I truly think we have opened a well we have no clue how to close - and by "we" I mostly mean the drilling experts. I don't think we have any good moves at hand. I certainly don’t know the consequences but nothing else is working and, as the article claims, the Soviets have used nukes before to seal blown wells with success. Granted they weren’t a mile under the ocean under these conditions. But if this gusher is not stopped soon it will be a disaster of biblical proportions. Maybe it already is. "They" keep talking about the nuclear option in politics—perhaps it is something to consider here. How could any of us really know? This disaster is unprecedented for all of us--including the scientists and engineers working on it. Whatever course we decide to take, some tough calls are going to have to be made.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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Speaking of Tough Calls, in the effort to save as much wildlife as possible in the aftermath of the spill BP announced today that it will no longer hire Cajuns to help in the cleanup. A BP Official was quoted as saying: Thibodeaux, Boudreaux and Fontenot were told to clean as many brown pelicans as they could....
So far, Thibodeaux has cleaned and gutted over 56 birds while Boudreaux made the roux and Fontenot cooked the rice.
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A little humor helps here Greger. What else is there at this point?
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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Don't forget the holy trinity.
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Rachel Maddow- The more spills change_ the more they stay the same The '79 "spill" isn't the same as this one. It's not so much the depth of the water, but rather the depth BP drilled once they reached the sea floor and what they drilled into at 30k+ feet. That's the problem. The government should never had issued the permit in the first place.
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2 wins posted this VERY IMPORTANT VIDEO on Capitol Hill Reader Rant under the thread "What's really happening in the Gulf?" Watch it, because it's important. Please comment on this video on "What's really happening in the Gulf?"
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' BP oil spill Corexit dispersants suspected in widespread crop damage[/b]...Corexit 9500 was found to be one of the most toxic dispersal agents ever developed. According to the Clark and George-Ares report, Corexit mixed with the higher gulf coast water temperatures becomes even more toxic. The UK's Marine Management Organization has banned Corexit so if there was [b][ouch!] a spill in the UK's North Sea, BP is banned from using Corexit. It seems like [ouch!] damage brought by the oil gusher has spread way beyond the ocean, coastal areas and beaches. Collateral damage now appears to include agricultural damage way inland Mississippi. [ouch!] A mysterious "disease" has caused widespread damage to plants from weeds to farmed organic and conventionally grown crops. There is very strong suspicion that ocean winds have blown Corexit aerosol plumes or droplets and that dispersants have caused the unexplained widespread damage. [It is a sorry state of affairs that the San Francisco Chronicle permits such obvious grammatical errors to be printed!]
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