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Originally Posted by Greger
It could certainly happen, Ardy. Not this election cycle but just a few down the road. Without the bulldog determination of republicans to filibuster President Obama into a failed presidency it is entirely possible that we would have seen much of the change promised by Barack Hussein Obama during his campaign. The Birthers, Baggers, Deathers, and Taxers have set an agenda to "take back their country". Okay, let's say they do...then what? They have no plan to fix anything, just a plan to stop democrats from trying to fix anything. The anger that democrats have faced will multiply when republicans do even worse. It's all about jobs now. Until a lot of Americans get back to work and get some money in their pockets they are just gonna get madder and madder.

Every so often I read a statement on this site so outragous I have to think "He can't be serious". This quote reminds me of a Dave Matthews line about whistling past our grave, or another song I can't remember talking about walking through life with our eyes closed.
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Without the bulldog determination of republicans to filibuster President Obama into a failed presidency it is entirely possible that we would have seen much of the change promised by Barack Hussein Obama during his campaign.

The power of the Presidency is the bully pulpit that comes with the office. In the end America wants to support every President until the President no longer deserves their support. Usually, when a President loses public support, his policies are so unpopular that the bully pulpit just doesn't work anymore. Obama had a chance to actually make a difference, but he refused to. Instead of working both sides of the aisle, he tried to look like he was working both sides of the aisle. Instead of trying to forge partnerships, he forged a partisanship and when things became so obviously anti, he used the "History will praise you" routine to force a bad bill onto America.

The Baggers, and Birthers and Deathers and whomever else you want to point to are going to make a difference in the next election and hopefully in 2012. They will put a stop to the mistaken presidency named Barack Hussein Obama.

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The Baggers, and Birthers and Deathers and whomever else you want to point to are going to make a difference in the next election and hopefully in 2012. They will put a stop to the mistaken presidency named Barack Hussein Obama.
I have no doubt that you are right. This was a decision made by Republicans on the day he was elected. Not his policies, not anything he had done nor even promised. Simply that foolish Americans had the audacity or stupidity to elect a Democrat to the presidency, worse yet a Black Democrat!
So, let's say they retake the House the Senate and the Whitehouse? Then what? With Newt Gingrich and Sarha Palin at the helm where will they steer the nation? Away from Obama is not good enough. It must be into prosperity or the backlash will be even worse than Democrats are facing in this election cycle.
I sincerely hope that Republicans retake the nation and set it onto a path towards a golden future. A path where all Americans, who work as hard as you did, will be rewarded as well as you have been for their efforts. At the same time I sincerely doubt that they are any more prepared to handle the massive problems we face than was President Obama and his failed Congress.


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Originally Posted by Ma_Republican
Every so often I read a statement on this site so outragous I have to think "He can't be serious".

you should know, you have authored most of them!



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Every so often I read a statement on this site so outragous I have to think "He can't be serious".

you should know, you have authored most of them!

And I will never deny it. LOL


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The Baggers, and Birthers and Deathers and whomever else you want to point to are going to make a difference in the next election and hopefully in 2012. They will put a stop to the mistaken presidency named Barack Hussein Obama.
I have no doubt that you are right. This was a decision made by Republicans on the day he was elected. Not his policies, not anything he had done nor even promised. Simply that foolish Americans had the audacity or stupidity to elect a Democrat to the presidency, worse yet a Black Democrat!
So, let's say they retake the House the Senate and the Whitehouse? Then what? With Newt Gingrich and Sarha Palin at the helm where will they steer the nation? Away from Obama is not good enough. It must be into prosperity or the backlash will be even worse than Democrats are facing in this election cycle.
I sincerely hope that Republicans retake the nation and set it onto a path towards a golden future. A path where all Americans, who work as hard as you did, will be rewarded as well as you have been for their efforts. At the same time I sincerely doubt that they are any more prepared to handle the massive problems we face than was President Obama and his failed Congress.

Try as I may, I just don't see the "massive problems" you tell us we have, 1979 was at least as bad and with inflation added into the equation a much harder problem to solve. I admit I am not an Obamite, but I never rooted for him to fail. I actually wanted him to succeed, and succeed wildly, but I didn't have much confidence that he would. He has proven every person who voted for McCain correct, and McCain would have been a caretaker at best. The problem is that Obama wanted to forward a very liberal agenda and he schemed to do so any way possible. He never really tried to compromise with the Republicans, who knows if they would have compromised, but because Obama just paid lip service to the idea we will never know.

What we need is somebody who doesn't think in dogma, and Obama is nothing if not dogmatic. We need a politician who can navigate Congress and form partnerships. A politician who knows how to compromise. A politician who isn't married to any experimental ideas of how to run the country. That person is nowhere I can see.


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Originally Posted by Ma_Republican
Try as I may, I just don't see the "massive problems" you tell us we have, 1979 was at least as bad a



During the crash of 2008, people rated it as the most severe economic crisis since the great depression... And, I have to say that my memory of the 1979 ere is that there was no concern that the entire world economic system would collapse. No big banks on the verge of failure, no imminent collapse of GM and Chrysler. No Failure of the worlds largest insurance company. And, importantly, we still had a manufacturing base... so that when demand did pick up, there would be jobs making products here in the USA.


But still, taking 1979 as a baseline for comparison with 2009 ....Here is the subsequent performance from 1979....

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Unemployment
1979 5.9
1980 7.2
1981 7.6
1982 9.7
1983 9.6

GNP growth
1979 2.5
1980 -0.5
1981 1.8
1982 -2.2
1983 3.9
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And your point is that this is so much more admirable than Obama has achieved in 18 months?

It just seems to me that people's expectations have shifted for Obama.... not to mention the rose colored glasses used to view past performances

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Originally Posted by Ma_Republican
The power of the Presidency is the bully pulpit that comes with the office. In the end America wants to support every President until the President no longer deserves their support. Usually, when a President loses public support, his policies are so unpopular that the bully pulpit just doesn't work anymore. Obama had a chance to actually make a difference, but he refused to.
Reality check: The American people did and does support Obama. His party has comfortable majorities in both houses of Congress. His program would have been expeditiously passed if it were not for the archaic insanity of the privilege to filibuster, which makes effective government in the US impossible---and marks the US as a failed state amid the developed countries of the world.

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Try as I may, I just don't see the "massive problems" you tell us we have, 1979 was at least as bad a



During the crash of 2008, people rated it as the most severe economic crisis since the great depression... And, I have to say that my memory of the 1979 ere is that there was no concern that the entire world economic system would collapse. No big banks on the verge of failure, no imminent collapse of GM and Chrysler. No Failure of the worlds largest insurance company. And, importantly, we still had a manufacturing base... so that when demand did pick up, there would be jobs making products here in the USA.


But still, taking 1979 as a baseline for comparison with 2009 ....Here is the subsequent performance from 1979....

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Unemployment
1979 5.9
1980 7.2
1981 7.6
1982 9.7
1983 9.6

GNP growth
1979 2.5
1980 -0.5
1981 1.8
1982 -2.2
1983 3.9
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And your point is that this is so much more admirable than Obama has achieved in 18 months?

It just seems to me that people's expectations have shifted for Obama.... not to mention the rose colored glasses used to view past performances

NO! My point is that I am sick of people telling me what we cannot do. Tell me what can be done to slow or reverse the trend, but judt do keep telling me that all hope is lost.

1979 SUCKED! Jimmy Carter was the most demotivating person I can imagine. His fireside chats were the sponsored by Sominex and bottled by them to induce sleep. Reagan came into office and used the bully pulpit and turned public attitude around from we can't to we can almost overnight. He used every trick he could to do it, and got lucky along the way, but nothing will turn around until attitudes turn around.


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The power of the Presidency is the bully pulpit that comes with the office. In the end America wants to support every President until the President no longer deserves their support. Usually, when a President loses public support, his policies are so unpopular that the bully pulpit just doesn't work anymore. Obama had a chance to actually make a difference, but he refused to.
Reality check: The American people did and does support Obama. His party has comfortable majorities in both houses of Congress. His program would have been expeditiously passed if it were not for the archaic insanity of the privilege to filibuster, which makes effective government in the US impossible---and marks the US as a failed state amid the developed countries of the world.

GOD am I glad you moved to Canada, you'll fit right in up there.


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GOD am I glad you moved to Canada, you'll fit right in up there.
We both rejoice.

However, you did not deal with the point. How very different from your usual careful analysis. wink

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