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...I'm not about to get all Gay Panther over this... Or, Gray Gay Panther?  Remember you're gay: Mz. Clarol fo' Menz 
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Oddly, in a week where a judge ruled in our favor. I had been reading ignorant and uninformed opinions from pro Prop 8 people talking about the "faggot judge" clearly ruling in his own self interest. Yet, no one is even mentioning Attorneys Ted Olson and David Boies asking a federal judge to block California from enforcing the ban, known as Proposition 8 back in 2008. (Ted Olson and David Boies - sound familiar? Read on...) I find it "interesting" that the two opposing attorneys in Gore v Bush (2000) took it upon themselves to take this action to court. Why did they do this? What's in it for them? - and - ...more importantly, these two attorneys did so without the blessing of the gay community. These two simply took it upon themselves to fight Prop 8. 
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.... my, seemingly paranoid, thoughts about the Mormon church, their anti-gay stance and hatred were confirmed.
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Someone needs to do a Public Service Announcement about drinking and posting. Wrong, Jeffro. Sometimes the very best times to post is exactly then. (sometimes) I'm glad you did. I have had a challenging morning moving from one event to another, needing to stay very focused on each one. Your pain and anger was with me the whole time though. In between I have shed buckets of tears for you. The Mormon church and like minded cults also have very high rates of rape and incest. What paranoia? I cannot tell you how very sorry I am for what they have done to you. Please don't give up though, my friend. I can relate to the age/mortality thing too and I'm a lot older than you.
"Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain."
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That was probably too emotional to put here but I think I'll leave it and not edit.
"Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain."
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I'm not dying it anymore - what's funny is that, recently, some guy at work said "I love the highlights in your hair". I laughed and said "that's gray, my mother actually pays people to make her hair look like this". 
We are constantly invited to be who we are. Henry David Thoreau
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That was probably too emotional to put here but I think I'll leave it and not edit. Thank you Mel! If my post wasn't too emotional to put here than yours wasn't either. Thank you, my friend.
We are constantly invited to be who we are. Henry David Thoreau
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To All,
My sincerest apologies. I was - quite clearly - drunk last night, for the first time in over a month or two. Watching the Prop 8 documentary was like reliving Election night 2008 but this time all my, seemingly paranoid, thoughts about the Mormon church, their anti-gay stance and hatred were confirmed. I think the reaction of one family whose son had taken his own life because he couldn't change pushed me over the edge. I wasn't aware that the suicide rate in Utah was the highest in the Country or that it is disportionately higher among gay LDS teens. The gay Mormon kids that talked about their own attempts broke my heart.
I'm not about to get all Gay Panther over this, it's not really my style. But the anger and frustration that I didn't even realize I suppressed, surfaced last night. Oddly, in a week where a judge ruled in our favor. I had been reading ignorant and uninformed opinions from pro Prop 8 people talking about the "faggot judge" clearly ruling in his own self interest. That was something I wasn't completely expecting because I had actually followed the case and knew that had nothing to do with the outcome.
I feel like I keep expecting better and I keep getting worse. It's not an excuse, but my recent birthday has me obsessing about these things even more. I know I'm not old but I'm not young either. Birthdays reinforce mortality and I was feeling particularly mortal last night.
The Absolut has been pushed to the back of the freezer
Someone needs to do a Public Service Announcement about drinking and posting. Jeffro I don't know why you feel the need to apologize for your thread. I think that you posted a very legitimate/vaild rant. I'm not gay, but I think that the social inequities that gays have to live with are very real and need to be addressed in a way as to at least allow legal arguments to be used to overcome the inequities instead of religious quackery, which is foundation of most arguments to oppress gay citizens. Drunk or not...you made clear sense to me. I live in religious la-la-land. I'm an out-of-the-closet atheist and have been since my early teens. In my neck of the woods I'm considered to be on the level of a communist-gay-jap-talian-negro-anti-human-hate-the-planet-freak by many bigoted radical-religious Texas citizens. And that's probably the nicest thing said about me by many of these folks. So in my books Jeffro - I glad you made your post. It's a very valid example of a form of "ignorance" that the world is still plagued with. I can't think of anything more socially dangerous than ignorance. Ignorance is the mother of bigotry and bigotry has a long history of being the core reason behind acts of death and oppression.
Turn on ANY brand of political machine - and it automatically goes to the "SPIN and LIE CYCLE" 
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Listen up, Issodhos. You think you are a champion of Individual Rights? Well, I am my own nation: I refuse loyalty to anything other than Truth and Beauty. The United States of America does not exist for me: I either go through it, or around it. Well, that is certainly your right, and I would not have it any other way, numan.  Now, this thread is about Jeffro's comments, not your sovereignty, so perhaps it would be better to focus on those, wot.;-) Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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everyone has a right to be who they are ... even numan.
jeffro - i get your anger. i support you as a fellow human being , unconditionally.
sure, you can talk to god, but if you don't listen then what's the use? so, onward through the fog!
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' everyone has a right to be who they are ... even numan. Gee, even me? · · ![[Linked Image from db.funformobile.com]](http://db.funformobile.com/images/smiles/angel.gif) · ![[Linked Image from forum.haroldandrews.com]](http://www.forum.haroldandrews.com/images/graemlins/hearts.gif) · ![[Linked Image from engforum.pravda.ru]](http://engforum.pravda.ru/images/smilies/yippee.gif) · · ![[Linked Image from i25.photobucket.com]](http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/bunky2oo7/smileys/king2.gif) ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/icon_dancing.gif) ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/540.gif)
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