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It is clear as NW stated previously, this is simply a political issue generated by the paranoid right-wing. They apparently believe Muslims will take over Europe very soon and America will be next. I am not sure what their strategy is to combat this takeover but also just as clearly these folks will not be persuaded by rational thought. I just listened to a guest on Hannity's radio show who spent all of her time bashing Muslims and therefore Americans have the right to deny them their rights. Her rant was clearly irrational.
This is obviously a 1st Amendment issue and as the Pres reminded Americans they have the right guaranteed by the 1st Amendment to build a mosque there.
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I just listened to a guest on Hannity's radio show who spent all of her time bashing Muslims and therefore Americans have the right to deny them their rights. Her rant was clearly irrational. Quite right reporter. Feelings of repulsion won't do, since feelings are not reasons at all
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Issodhos, after reflecting more on your assertion that it is a property issue I totally disagree.
Religious facilities are subject to zoning, permitting, safety and a host of other laws. Those have always been upheld by the courts as reasonable infringements on the free exercise of religion.
In this particular instance, the City could apply those laws to the Muslim center, and no doubt has. Since no one is suggesting that they have not met city laws, the only remaining reason for this issue seeing the light of day is religious prejudice.
Simply put, a religious organization is not free to use property in any way they see fit. Now you may contend that is improper, that all property owners should have unlimited rights to use their property as they want, but if you did so contend, you would be taking an absurd position that was settled back in the early days of the nation.
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what im really offended by is what was built upon the ruins of the world trade centre.
the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq, and all the death and destruction that caused.
and people are pissed about a f*cking religous centre.
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what im really offended by is what was built upon the ruins of the world trade centre. Was built? Nothing has been built yet. 
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think about it Rick..... in other news a retrospective of how this controversy was manufactured. Salon My favourite part of the article? May 6, 2010: After a unanimous vote by a New York City community board committee to approve the project, the AP runs a story. It quotes relatives of 9/11 victims (called by the reporter), who offer differing opinions. The New York Post, meanwhile, runs a story under the inaccurate headline, "Panel Approves 'WTC' Mosque." Geller is less subtle, titling her post that day, "Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction." She writes on her Atlas Shrugs blog, "This is Islamic domination and expansionism. The location is no accident. Just as Al-Aqsa was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem." (To get an idea of where Geller is coming from, she once suggested that Malcolm X was Obama's real father. Seriously.) why do insane peole in America get airtime instead of intensive treatment?
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Rhetorical allusion, Rick. What seems to be missed by most, while the G.O.P. Seizes on Mosque Issue Ahead of Elections, is that the building in question has already been used for services. What the developers want to do is build another building in the same location. The planned Islamic community center, perhaps 15 stories tall, would be constructed in what are now three adjacent buildings that stand two blocks north of ground zero, though the third building, owned by Consolidated Edison, has yet to be sold. The other two buildings are all but vacant now; already, worship services are taking place in one of them.
The developer, Sharif el-Gamal, a real estate investor born in New York, has said the center would include meeting rooms, a prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium and a pool. Two mosques are already within a few blocks of the proposed center. One, which is four blocks from ground zero, was founded in 1970. The other, 12 blocks from ground zero, was founded in 1985. They are so busy and overcrowded that a search was begun for additional space. It is a false, polarizing, and deeply dishonest, fake issue.
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why do insane people in America get airtime instead of intensive treatment? Funny you should ask that question. Apparently, on January 1, 2010, yes this year, insurance companies began paying for "cognitive" psychological counseling instead of the typical... "why do you hate your mother?" type of counseling - which really doesn't work. Guess the word hasn't filtered down yet to the 150 million Americans that are in deep need of psychoanalysis.
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Fake issue? I don't know about that. It may be fake in the sense that you and I think of it, but in the eyes of those looking to have a huge defeat of Democratic majorities, it is very real. This single issue and Pres. Obama's statements on this issue, will be one issue that will help to defeat Democrat politicians across the nation come November.
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... they have the right guaranteed by the 1st Amendment to build a mosque there. Oh, is it really? Apparently, Phil disagrees. Religious facilities are subject to zoning, permitting, safety and a host of other laws. Those have always been upheld by the courts as reasonable infringements on the free exercise of religion.
Simply put, a religious organization is not free to use property in any way they see fit. Make your case, rporter314. Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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