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Iss's premise is correct to this extent: "Until a governmental body passes a regulation or law that prohibits [any particular] religious structures within "X" number of blocks, or singles out a prohibition against one specific religion, the First Amendment issue is a false theoretical issue. The point made by the President and Reporter is quite valid, regardless of the effort to belittle it. The Constitutional principle which guided the zoning commission is the freedom of religion enshrined in the 1st Amendment (made applicable to the States through the 14th). That was the point that was made, and nothing posted to counter it changes the merit of it, even the use of deliberately degrading and provocative slurs.
The arguments against the Interfaith Center are not based upon rational thought, or principled philosophic positions, but are knee-jerk, xenophobic reactions spurred on by amoral demagogic purveyors of bigotry to create a political issue that can be flogged for electoral gain.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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'The Tower' is no longer called the 'Freedom Tower' (thank gawd), ... You are so right. Obviously it should be the 'French Tower." 
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. I'm seeing a familiar thread in Tim's argument. Back when I joined Reader Rant, an early battle over gay marriage was ongoing. Tim was highly incensed that a court (and maybe a governor) had thrown out the will of the MA people (as shown in the passage of an anti-gay marriage vote) and declared gay marriages to be legal. Tim argued well, at least I thought so until the phrase "rights of the minority" flashed through my mind. He's arguing the same issue here. A neighborhood, a city, doesn't want a mosque in their front yard. Majority rules. I think that frequently Tim doesn't want "rights of the minority" to be upheld. But, like it or not, both elements are part of our starting and governing papers. What he's arguing is only a step away from southern states not allowing blacks to be part of society. Which brings me to Rand Paul's restaurant policy but that is truly  , so I'll stop. You are incorrect. Yes the courts imposed gay marriage on Massachusetts, but the people voted on a referendum to put it up for popular vote. I was pissed that the legislature refused to vote the measure onto the ballot, or vote the measure off of the ballot, as the Ma Constitution says is their responsibility. I have never been against gay marriage, as a matter of fact I don't care who sleeps with whom. Life is way too short to worry about a detail as subtle and inconsequential, in my opinion, as the legal definition of marriage versus civil unions. Being a straight white male it doesn't enter into my thought process. If somebody wants to get married who the hell am I to tell them that they can't? I fear you missed my point, which was to illustrate your belief in the will of the majority, regardless of the subject. I've been rereading this thread to find a particular sentence that impressed me--not part of our exchange--and I see examples of what I label "your repeated theme" several times. Banning the restaurant was one. Legally, the rights of one neighbor outweigh the will of the neighborhood.
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Never found the senence I was looking for. It was along the idea that issues are voted on, rights are given. Ring a bell with anyone else? Maybe in another thread. Whatever. I was going to compliment whoever posted it.
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there currently no I or XIV amendment issues that is correct ... what they are advocating in it's stead is public opinion polls should be consulted to determine if any right should be mitigated by such opinion. My question is where did they find such a clause in the Constitution?
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So, about that mosque being a constitutional issue and not a political issue: http://indyposted.com/38342/greek-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero-destroyed-on-911-still-not-rebuilt/ While controversy rages about the proposed mosque at Ground Zero, the only house of worship destroyed in the 9/11 attacks has received far less attention. The St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church was destroyed on 9/11 when one of the towers fell upon it. Since that day, efforts to rebuild it have come nowhere near as far as the mosque, with its array of politically powerful sponsors. The St. Nicholas Church web site reports as follows on the groundswell of world support for its reconstruction.
Read The Full Story: Greek Orthodox Church At Ground Zero Destroyed on 9/11: Still Not Rebuilt – IndyPosted
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I am curious Ma, how do you see that as relevant?
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OUTRAGE OVER PLANS TO BUILD LIBRARY NEXT TO SARAH PALIN But Bill McKay, a leading member of the right-wing Teapot movement, said: "Sarah Palin is a hallowed place for Americans who can't read.
"How is she going to feel knowing that every day there are people going inside a building to find things out for themselves and have thoughts, right in the very shadow of her amazing nipples."
He added: "Our founding fathers intended for every building in this country to be a church containing one book, written by Jesus, that would be read out in a strange voice by an orange man in a shiny suit who would also tell you who you were allowed to kill.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
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I just find it interesting that it has been impossible for an existing church to be rebuilt, but a new church from a much more PC cause get approval.
As I said, I doubt that this mosque will ever be built, and to tell you the truth if it ever is it will be a boon to the community. It will also never be accepted as a vital part of that community because it is such a crass and insensitive project. My only point is that if a Greek Church has been rejected for 9 years, why was the Mosque green lighted?
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Because the Mosque is 4 blocks away?
Because there is funding for the mosque?
Because the Mosque is to serve an existing congregation which has outgrown it's current facilities?
There are any number of possible reasons, it's your baby, why don't you research it and tell us?
By the way if anyone goes to Schlacky's link about the Library being built beside she who is best left unnamed do be sure on click on the "Prove it" video/commercial it's quite excellent as commercials go..
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