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Global Climate Change will happen or it wont. You can preach it or you can deny it, it's almost like religion! Either there is an afterlife or there isn't, there is a god or there isn't.
It will all be revealed someday.

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It has already been revealed to those who can read the sacred text of science.

Lo, it is already here, and walks upon the waters!\

So you are bringing global cooling back? For the record, GC would allow you to walk on water, GW would allow you to swim in water.

But the Global Climate Change that scientists are predicting wouldn't just equally raise temperatures everywhere.
The warm currents that keep the British Islands habitable would be interrupted, likely causing England and Ireland to become iceballs. There's a lot more to worry about than coconuts in the streets of Boston.


Who will be the first to ice skate across the English Channel?

Tim, would it help if you knew that all the hubbub has less to do with WARMING or COOLING and more to do with the weather extremes being more EXAGGERATED?

You will have to admit that we have seen quite a bit of weather extremes in the last few years, yes?

I do remember when a hurricane inundated the middle Atlantic Seaboard. It was Hurricane Agnes, and it was a one-off deal that
I consider a marker event.

Now, we've seen hurricanes threaten the entire East Coast EVERY SINGLE YEAR since...what....2002 or something?
I dunno, maybe it hasn't been EVERY single year but damn near.

They used to be phenom that was common SOUTH of the Mason-Dixon...you know, Hatteras and the like?

Not NEW frikeen JERSEY and Maryland.
I never once saw a "Hurricane Evacuation Route" sign in the entire time I grew up in the Maryland-DC Metro area, not on a single roadway anywhere, even on the coast in Ocean City or Rehoboth.

But I bet they have em as far inland as Bethesda now.

That is what we're talking about when you hear talk of global climate change. It HAS changed, everyone's noticed.
It's just that some are still in denial.
But it's okay, because that will become more and more difficult a time goes by and the extremes in weather become more ridiculous.

I'm just acknowledging what I've suspected for a while is all.
But like our Swedish friends says, it doesn't mean wearing a hair shirt. It means adapting and embracing technological solutions and an aggressive approach which might just create JOBS.

Jobs is good, yes?

The times is a murdoch owned sensationalist rag.

the IPCC on on the other hand...




likely that this effect will lessen the effects of climate change in britain and Ireland. no iceballs here, had enough of that this winter.

BBC

Now i can drag out the IPCC report if you like but it wont be looked at.

Once upon a time America could explore and investigate without having to create a PR campaign first. Back in those days an issue would be investigated, debated and decided upon based on national importance and the politics of the day. If the issue were important enough to merrit Presidential inclusion the POTUS would address the nation and state his case.

Today we just take "scientists" word for it. We accept blindly that the science behind the claim is accurate. Our "leaders" invest their personal pride in backing the issue and turning it into a cause, to the detriment of the country he represents. A couple of years ago, when scientists were proclaiming that it was too late to stop GW, our political leaders were debating Cap and Trade, a bill that would ruin what little economy we have left. It would have increased the cost of literally in America and left our exports at such a disadvantage that we would have eventually failed as an exporting nation. Now, I have argued from the beginning that I support the idea of cleaning up the environment and that I could get behind an effort to do it, but instead it was turned into an US against THEM issue! Right or wrong, good or bad, yes or no were the only choices. Fear and intimidation were the weapons of choice, "the whole world is at risk" and "if you don't agree we will ruin your career" and "the UN is at the forefront of this research so we must believe it".

The UN has proven to be unable to control itself at the forefront. The "science" has turned out to be false in some cases, suspect in some cases and rumor in other cases. What is a poor schlum like me supposed too think?

I wil make my recommendations again:

Create an ad campaign similar to the Schoolhouse Rock camapign or Just say NO!
Use mass media to change people's habits rather than scare the sh!t out of them.
Take over leadership of the research, the UN is too political and corrupt an organization to successfully run a program like this.
Find alternatives rather than advocate ruining the economy.

It doesn't matter whether the "science" is untimately right or wrong, if it causes harm to the vast US it will not be accepted by the people who elect the President. In America the will of the people has to be considered because the goodwill of the people can disapear quickly when it is ignored.

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One should never, never, never talk about weather, in discussing Global Heating!

The only things that are significant are such things as relatively small, persistent trends in global averages, sea level rise, and changes in the percentages of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

Weather is almost meaningless; it is climate we are talking about!

The idea that we can predict climate change if patently false, hell we can't even predict tomorrow's local climate never mind the local hemesphere's for the next 50 years. That is the problem with the battle between the true believers and the true deniers, both sides are right and wrong at the same time.

A true believer's driven by the conviction that he is morally correct and probably technically right. A true denier is convinced that he is being manipulated into sacrifice that is unnecessary and that the science behind the scam is unproven. There are some things that can be agreed upon, the atmosphere is dirty, although it is getting better, and CO2 is increasing in the upper atmosphere. The problem is that instead of trying to attack the known problem the believer is attacking the economies of the entire industrialized world. The believer tell America the solution is a new tax that makes industry pay for her sins, while the denier tells America that by making industry pay for her sins it will be the consumer who underwrites the actual payments. America can't agree on whether red light cameras are legal and Constitutional, what would make anybody think that they could get America to accept a tax on polution?

It really is time to accept defeat and start over from common ground. Nobody can deny that polution is a problem. Nobody can deny that IF the believers are correct then we are screwed. So, lets do the things that are easy and make a difference. Let's take public transportation where available, let's car pool when available, let's use CF lights (and worry about the mercury later?), let's educate the public in how to do the little things and save money at the same time. In other words, let's actlike adults and not like Boris Karloff going after his next victim.

People think that there are two ways to achieve this goal, by intimidation and by regulation but there is an easier and faster way, and that way is through making it profitable for the public to succeed in doing your job.

I guess somehow I have failed to notice anybody trying to scare to poop out of me regarding a changing climate. I've read reports, articles, opinions, seen pictures of ice where there is no longer ice. But no one has asked me to make sacrifices or attempted to scare me into anything. I do note that the very same Conservative half of the nation who are so prone to using scare tactics are the ones claiming that the Scientific community is using those same tactics, and I note, that for one reason or another, it is Conservatives most up in arms against the likelihood of Global Climate Change, as if for one reason or another, it is a political issue rather than a scientific observation.
I think that's patently false. Meteorologists are pretty good at tracking and predicting weather. You still seem to be confused about the difference between weather and climate though, the climate determines the parameters in which weather operates. We all have a pretty good idea what this coming winter will bring. None of us were particularly surprised by the weather this past summer. We know when and how high the tides will rise, how long it takes a storm to cross the nation, and how much it will probably snow or rain.
We know weeks ahead when a hurricane is approaching and hours ahead exactly where it will strike. Scientists have got a pretty good handle on what is happening weather and climatewise. Again, like so many other things, it has been turned into a political talking point, with conservatives, for the most part, denying that it can happen at all and liberals becoming frustrated with their bullheadedness and perhaps becoming a bit too shrill in trying to get their point across.
But like I said, it will happen or it wont. It wont make a whit of difference which party is in control or who you elect. Winter is coming, and it's gonna rain.