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Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.
Buddha

Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first.
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Every man dies. Not every man really lives.
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The date, location and purpose of the first Thanksgiving celebration are topics of some disagreement.
In the United States

Massachusetts

While not the first thanksgiving of any sort on the continent, the traditional origin of modern Thanksgiving in the United States is generally regarded to be the celebration that occurred at the site of Plymouth Plantation, in Massachusetts in 1621. This celebration occurred early in the history of what would become one of the original Thirteen Colonies that later were to become the United States. This Thanksgiving was modeled after harvest festivals that were commonplace in Europe at the time. According to historian Jeremy Bangs, director of the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum, the Pilgrims may have been influenced by watching the annual services of thanksgiving for the relief of the siege of Leiden in 1574, while they were staying in Leiden.[2]

Florida

Author and teacher Robyn Gioia and Michael Gannon of the University of Florida have argued that the earliest attested "thanksgiving" celebration in what is now the United States was celebrated by the Spanish on September 8, 1565 in what is now Saint Augustine, Florida.[3][4]

Virginia

A day of thanksgiving was codified in the founding charter of Berkeley Hundred in Charles City County, Virginia in 1619.[5]
In Canada

Newfoundland

The history of Thanksgiving in Canada goes back to an explorer, Martin Frobisher, who had been trying to find a northern passage to the Pacific Ocean. Frobisher's Thanksgiving celebration was not for harvest, but for homecoming. He had safely returned from a search for the Northwest Passage, avoiding the later fate of Henry Hudson and Sir John Franklin. In the year 1578, Frobisher held a formal ceremony in Newfoundland to give thanks for surviving the long journey.[6]

New France

French settlers who came to New France with explorer Samuel de Champlain in the early 17th century also took to celebrating their successful harvests. They even shared their food with the indigenous people of the area as well as setting up what became known as the "Order of Good Cheer."[7]

Other influences

As many more settlers arrived in Canada, more celebrations of good harvest became common. New immigrants into the country, such as the Irish, Scottish and Germans, would also add their own harvest traditions to the harvest celebrations. Most of the American aspects of Thanksgiving (such as the turkey) were incorporated when United Empire Loyalists began to flee from the United States during the American Revolution and settled in Canada.[7]
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And for more try Deconstructing the Myths of the "First Thanksgiving"




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Have a great week, a Happy Thanksgiving and above all share your blessings and make love to the world


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...from Phil's link of "Deconstructing the Myth of the 'First Thanksgiving'":

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...Both the Separatists and Puritans were rigid fundamentalists who came here fully intending to take the land away from its Native inhabitants and establish a new nation, their “Holy Kingdom.”
Rigid fundamentalists? Not much has changed in nearly 389 years has it? smile

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The Plimoth colonists were never concerned with “freedom of religion” for anyone but themselves.
Truly, nothing has changed in 389 years. laugh


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Fer Chrissake Rick! Thanksgiving is the one holiday I actually enjoy. Please don't ruin that by injecting reality into the picture. I need one illusion I can cling to as I accelerate on my downhill slide.


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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Originally Posted by california rick
...from Phil's link of "Deconstructing the Myth of the 'First Thanksgiving'":

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...Both the Separatists and Puritans were rigid fundamentalists who came here fully intending to take the land away from its Native inhabitants and establish a new nation, their “Holy Kingdom.”
Rigid fundamentalists? Not much has changed in nearly 389 years has it? smile

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The Plimoth colonists were never concerned with “freedom of religion” for anyone but themselves.
Truly, nothing has changed in 389 years. laugh

Ah, the Pilgrims...some of the earliest illegal aliens. [Linked Image from mail.yimg.com]


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Phil~wonderful opener.I enjoyed the music, and all the clips. We donate to Angel Food Ministries, as well as my church's food pantry. It is needed even more than ever in these times. Please be generous in both time and money/food.


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Originally Posted by Scoutgal
Ah, the Pilgrims...some of the earliest illegal aliens. [Linked Image from mail.yimg.com]
Impossible. There were not borders to cross illegally, no government set-up to hide from, and no jobs that Pilgrim 'wouldn't do."

The attempt to invoke some witticism into the thread simply fell flat and comes across as painfully droll.

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Rick your thinking is so very myopic about "borders", etc. The tribes of the area most certainly had their version of borders, considered territory as "theirs" and often defended the same against incursions by other peoples.

That they welcomed the European invaders speaks to their high morality, despite the lack thereof on the part of the invaders.

Secondly, Scoutgal's sense of humor is just fine, and yours appears to be on hiatus this morning.

Thirdly, as for cut and paste humor:
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The light turned yellow, just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk, even though he could have beaten the red light by accelerating through the intersection.

The tailgating woman was furious and honked her horn, screaming in frustration, as she missed her chance to get through the intersection, dropping her cell phone and makeup.

As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer. The officer ordered her to exit her car with her
hands up. He took her to the police station where she was searched, fingerprinted, photographed, and placed in a holding cell.

After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk where the arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects.

He said, ''I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy in front of you and cussing a blue
streak at him. I noticed the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, the 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'Follow Me to Sunday-School' bumper sticker, and the chrome-plated Christian fish emblem on the trunk, so naturally...

I assumed you had stolen the car.''

Priceless


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Originally Posted by Phil Hoskins
Rick your thinking is so very myopic about "borders", etc. The tribes of the area most certainly had their version of borders, considered territory as "theirs" and often defended the same against incursions by other peoples.

That they welcomed the European invaders speaks to their high morality, despite the lack thereof on the part of the invaders.
The Pilgrims did not attempt to blend in to the Wampanoag village of Pawtuxet and attempt to go unnoticed, nor work among the native americans and perform duties that the native americans refused to do themselves - allegedly.

There in lies the difference(s). Hmm


...and yes, it is true, I do not find illegal immigration to be a humorous topic. My bad.


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No, rick they did not try to assimilate, they just kicked the natives out and took their land. Is that really better in your book?


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