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And of course, President Obama wasn't attacked within days of his announcing his candidacy by both his own party rivals and that of the GOP machine-not to mention that "hatred" spewed by the Tea Party...  I wonder.... lets suppose that one of the Obama kids got pregnant out of wedlock....etc..... I wonder if some people would have tried to take political advantage from that... maybe Rush Limbaugh would have something to say? Before Sarah Palin was nominated... did anyone have the temerity to suggest that he had insufficient qualifications for the job.... if so, I guess such people must have hated him? I have a hard time seeing how the attacks on Ms Palin are any more hate motivated than the typical sorts of political attacks that one commonly sees?
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. He went on to demonstrate that stupid is as stupid does.  Yours, Issodhos Which IMO is what Sarah Palin does on a consistent basis. Which, in turn makes me astonished that she continues to represent a formidable political force in this nation. Which is another valid political opinion that would be expected and accepted as politics as usual. However, if her popularity astonishes you, it may come as a surprise that not everyone in the country watches or takes seriously Saturday Night Live or the Jon Stewart Show. Everytime she is mocked for being a mother or a person who engages in outdoorsy things, or her children are mocked or ridiculed, she gains in popularity among those Americans who have spent their lifes being mocked and used by the modern 'liberal' segment of the ruling classes. So, one has to wonder who the stupid one is, Palin for gaming the hate directed at her, or the haters for handing her a string of win-win opportunities.;-) Yours in a laid-back, easygoing, live-and-let-live kinda mood, Issodhos
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And of course, President Obama wasn't attacked within days of his announcing his candidacy by both his own party rivals and that of the GOP machine-not to mention that "hatred" spewed by the Tea Party...  I wonder.... lets suppose that one of the Obama kids got pregnant out of wedlock....etc..... I wonder if some people would have tried to take political advantage from that... maybe Rush Limbaugh would have something to say? Before Sarah Palin was nominated... did anyone have the temerity to suggest that he had insufficient qualifications for the job.... if so, I guess such people must have hated him? I have a hard time seeing how the attacks on Ms Palin are any more hate motivated than the typical sorts of political attacks that one commonly sees? My point exactly. Saying that anything detrimental about Sarah Palin is hate-motivated is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It is just the same ol' same ol' mudslinging that has been spewed for several decades. And as President Truman said; "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen". And that goes for those that whine about Sarah Palin being hated, but stand silent when it is President Obama under attack. 
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Goodness, Issodhos! That statement seems to reveal a deep ignorance of the nuts-and-bolts of politics! Shouldn't that be nuts and dolts? By the way, do you still collect watches?:-) Yours, Issodhos
"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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So Sarah Palin was attacked soon after her nomination.... I guess I would think that to be more remarkable if that scenario was at variance with long standing tradition.
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What I find remarkable is that in the case of Ms Palin, this normal course of events was characterized as hatred. I think Ms Palin was no more hated than Dan Quayle... who was also skewered for being a light weight. Goodness, Ardy, there is a difference between routine initial political attack and the initial personal attack Palin was subjected to. But, perhaps my less biased eye saw what was clouded to those with a more self-serving party need. And why all the concern with my borrowing the "H" word from the US left and its modern liberal sychophants? Though "hate" "hater" and "hateful" is a favorite among the more or less left-dressing crowd, it is not owned by them.;-) Yours, Issodhos
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' The problem is that reasonable people are not as good at generating hysteria as the Republicans are. Excuse me, unless I'm mistaken it's not Bush that's sticking his fingers in your underwear? I'm not so sure it is Obama either! Has the National Security State ever been controlled by either of them? I wouldn't dream of getting on an airplane in the United States, so those creepy fingers are no concern of mine, but, for the record, they started creeping toward your underwear during Bush's watch.
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. He went on to demonstrate that stupid is as stupid does.  Yours, Issodhos Which IMO is what Sarah Palin does on a consistent basis. Which, in turn makes me astonished that she continues to represent a formidable political force in this nation. Which is another valid political opinion that would be expected and accepted as politics as usual. However, if her popularity astonishes you, it may come as a surprise that not everyone in the country watches or takes seriously Saturday Night Live or the Jon Stewart Show. Everytime she is mocked for being a mother or a person who engages in outdoorsy things, or her children are mocked or ridiculed, she gains in popularity among those Americans who have spent their lifes being mocked and used by the modern 'liberal' segment of the ruling classes. So, one has to wonder who the stupid one is, Palin for gaming the hate directed at her, or the haters for handing her a string of win-win opportunities.;-) Yours in a laid-back, easygoing, live-and-let-live kinda mood, Issodhos Sarah Palin is polarizing-true. But the "hate" that is expressed about her isn't any different than that expressed about President Obama, his wife or daughters. All that crap about what religion President Obama is, when it shouldn't matter one whit, since our nation is not supposed have an established religion, but the GOP and Tea Partiers go on and on about how he's really a closet Muslim, or a Godless Communist or Socialist. His ears are ridiculed, visiting a narional cemetery is critisized, because it wasn't Arlington-as if only the military interred at Arlington are worthy of a presidential presence and honor. He is called an usurper, even though he actually won by both the popu;ar and electoral vote-unlike President G.W. Bush in 2000. So don't claim that Sarah Palin's criticism has been worse than any other. That is a false picture and disingenuous. Look to Rush Limbaugh for starting hate comments-like when he made fun of Amy Carter and Chelsea Clinton. Picking on children was his idea. Do not lay it at the feet of imitators from the "Liberals". Typical of Conservatives to start the bad behavior and then complain about it when it is turned on them. Sarah Palin walked into it when she decided to throw her hat into the political arena, and she is still testing the waters to see if she can attain more power through the office of President of the United States of America- and she has made some pretty hateful comments about we Liberals on her own. Palin slams President Sarah Palin Gay Baiting?
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And of course, President Obama wasn't attacked within days of his announcing his candidacy by both his own party rivals and that of the GOP machine-not to mention that "hatred" spewed by the Tea Party...  I think you would have a difficult time coming up with equivilent personal attacks on Obama or his family when he announced his candidacy, Scoutgal. As to the Tea parties, they had not yet formed. Yours, Issodhos
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And of course, President Obama wasn't attacked within days of his announcing his candidacy by both his own party rivals and that of the GOP machine-not to mention that "hatred" spewed by the Tea Party...  I think you would have a difficult time coming up with equivilent personal attacks on Obama or his family when he announced his candidacy, Scoutgal. As to the Tea parties, they had not yet formed. Yours, Issodhos Have you read posts at Free Republic or comments by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck? If so, then you would know that the comments are just as hateful or worse. And if you haven't, then you are doing your usual sticking your head-in-the-sand shtick. Yours in denial isn't a river in Egypt, Scoutgal ;-)
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Sarah Palin is polarizing-true. But the "hate" that is expressed about her isn't any different than that expressed about President Obama, his wife or daughters. I do not recall hatred being directed toward Obama's family during the campaign -- or even toward him, for that matter (but that was then, and now is now). And to suggest that Obama has somehow suffered the same degree of hatred as directed at Bush is quite a stretch. Even as much as I was in contempt of Bush, it never raised to hatred for him and his family, and certainly did not include the high-pitched hatred that seems to come so naturally to many members of the modern 'liberal' movement. There is a difference between dislike or even disgust for the actions of a pol, and directing hatred toward him and his family. Some of you seem to be trying to recast the past into nothing more than policy differences. It wasn't. It was hate. Yours, Issodhos P.s. And by the way, Limbaugh's disgusting comment about Chelsea got him tossed off television and got him taken to the woodshed the next day and following days by his radio audience.:-)
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"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos
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