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Context, loganrbt, context. It provides a stepping stone toward comprehension.
Yours,
Issodhos

The literature is rife with statements by Christians, both in the Adminsitration and in the pulpit, especially after 9/11, calling for the death of Muslims, etc. So I am hard pressed to understand how you so neatly separate propaganda from motivation.

And I don't need a lecture from "on high" issodhos.

I'm pretty monocultural. I was raised by white folks among white folks of mostly European descent. There were black folks and the occasional Amerind, but they lived across the tracks and were an entirely different culture from my own. Not much really has changed. My point is that if I am not multi-cultural can I still be a "lib"? I dress left both concerning my politics and the breach seam of my trousers. I don't imagine though that the "savages" you describe were any more or less noble than we are, nor were they multi-cultural in most instances. Does this make them conservative? Or were they Early Libertarians?

Regarding religious and anti-religious ads or people I take them with a grain of salt and mostly take a neutral stance.
Religion, pro or con, is not a part of my life, I seek only my own personal enlightenment and hope to die happy and with no regrets.

Here is the claim, Phil: (emphasis mine) Anyone who wishes to should feel free to try to make the case that the powers that be entered into these wars for religious reasons.
Yours,
Issodhos

Greger, you seem more like a pre-60's liberal. You haven't shown the fascistic tendencies and the willingness to fully release your inner fascist that would mark you as being a member of the "modern liberal" movement. And multiculturalism is an utterly bankrupt political ideology that has nothing to do with who raised you or around whom you were raised.;-)
Yours,
Issodhos

issodhos, I have tried to grasp what you mean by "multicultural lib" and what inner fascist tendencies you refer to over the long time you have posited it as a red herring, but maybe if you gave examples of people or groups who fit the definition.

I cannot discuss something that seems to me to exist only in your head.

Well, we know that President George W. Bush said that he was directed to invade Iraq by God. Which particular god is anyone's guess, but he didn't mention Allah or Ares. Everyone assumed that Bush was referring to the Christian god. Tony Blair said the same thing. Sarah Palin said invading Iraq was "a task from God." Maj. General Bentley Rayburn said as a "Christian nation" we going to Iraq with a message of hope from Jesus Christ. Remember the nutter, General Boykin who said about fighting Muslims that we could win "only if we come against them in the name of Jesus." I think I'll stop there with Gen. Boykin coming against people. I'm pretty sure I don't even want to know exactly what that means, but when he does it, he does it for Jesus.

We could go further and quote others in the Bush administration who felt called by the Christian God to wage war on the Muslims and after killing members of their families, destroying their homes and schools and villages and cities and places of work, taking them God's message of love and peace.

I dont believe I tried to support those claims. In fact i believe that I explictly stated that wars are born of many factors and motivations. I find it hard to see how that is supporting someone elses claim of religious wars.

What i did was to highlight the place of religion and how it has been used to support political and military action overseas... which you seem to recongise, however your insistence that i provide back up for something I didnt say or write is mystifying. It is up to those making claims to support them.

While certainly a less explicit motivating factor now than say in the golden age of imperialism, I stand by my claim that religion and religious propaganda are important motivating and sustaining factors in US (and European - Gott mitt uns and all that) wars. You cannon unpick propaganda from motivations, real life rather than academic abstractions unfortunately far to messy to be so distinct.

Hmmmm i think it would be interesting to have a look at other so called religiously motivated wars and see what other factors are at work to give context.

Let's make a short list of factors which motivate all wars, shall we. Religion is one of them but seldom is it at the top of the list.
Territory
Politics
Religion
Resources
Freedom
Are there others?

All of these spark anger if anyone speaks against or tries to take them from you. All of them are useful tools for propagandists.

greed and fear