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Originally Posted by Sandune
Thank you Twins. Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote "To be Great is to be misunderstood."

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Are you sure you understood Emerson's reference correctly?
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Okay, I admit it. I got sucked into the whirling vortex of misdirection and obfuscation. How many attacks on other nations have been launched by the U.S. government to advance religious purposes this year? 0.

Point taken.

At the same time, how many attacks have been launched by other governments to advance other religions or to attack christians in this country? 0.

Interesting. So it appears that in all of 2010 there have been no government attacks on religion in either direction. Hmmm.

Well, how many terrorists acts were perpetrated in 2010? Let's take a look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2010
(and BTW, if someone wants to use an alternative source for purposes of assessing the argument that christians are under attack, by atheists or others, please post the source and I'll reconsider the data below)

Looks like 94.

How many of those attacks were launched against the United States (and by illogical extension, against christians)? 2

How many of those attacks were launched against other "christian" nations. Well, this is tricky: 18!! Wow!

Except 12 of those 18 were in Greece or Northern Ireland and they appear to have been launched by indigenous (and therefore by illogical extension) christian people against their own (and therefore illogically) christian people.

So discounting the christian-on-christian attacks, 8 out of 94 terrorist acts in recent times were against non-christian people. Guess being a christian isn't so dangerous after all. Despite the series of ignorant posts above suggesting otherwise.

Wanted to try this neat trick I've learned from reading other ignorant posts that it is really cool to quote oneself!!

Digging a bit more deeply, I see that none of the 6 attacks on christian nations were, in fact, attacks on christian churches, church offices, or other religious institutions.

I did discover some attempts to bomb christian houses of worship in this country, but there is little information about the attackers. Based only on state of residence and name, I infer that these folks were either putatively christian or areligous. No indication of islamic leanings.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/111347189.html

Hmmmm. Wait a minute. That's only one instance of attacks against christians! something's not right here. could the size of the problem have been exaggerated by a series of ignorant posts? Naw!


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There is certainly no shame in being ignorant. It's been said that "Knowledge is Power". I think we can assume that the inverse is true and that in ignorance lies weakness.
You can do something about it if you are ignorant of the facts, but let's all do try not to be stupid.


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Oh, absolutely agree. Which is why both posts are riddled with facts.

Looking forward to a similarly fact-laden reply.


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Originally Posted by Sandune
Thank you Twins. Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote "To be Great is to be misunderstood."
Are you sure you understood Emerson's reference correctly?
I think he did; after all, he didn't write, "To be misunderstood is to be great"! · · wink

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Originally Posted by loganrbt
Digging a bit more deeply, ...
There are those who advise that when one has dug himself into a hole it behooves him to first stop digging, loganrbt. Just a word of advice coffee
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Originally Posted by loganrbt
Okay, I admit it. I got sucked into the whirling vortex of misdirection and obfuscation. How many attacks on other nations have been launched by the U.S. government to advance religious purposes this year? 0.At the same time, how many attacks have been launched by other governments to advance other religions or to attack christians in this country? 0.

Interesting. So it appears that in all of 2010 there have been no government attacks on religion in either direction. Hmmm.
There is no doubt that you were indeed trying to manufacture a vortex of misdirection and obfuscation, loganrbt -- and continue to attempt to do so. Your attempt now is to engage in the fallacy of logic known as ignoratio elenchi -- you are trying to argue a point not previously introduced by me which is nations attacking America or America being attacked by other nations for religious reasons. You also seek to alter the initial argument by pretending that I claimed that Christians were under attack by others and those attacks are somehow defined as terrorist. No such claim was made and I suspect you are intelligent enough to know that loganrbt.

I should also point out that the "illogical extension" that an attack on America is an attack on Christianity, was made by you. So, your attempt to crawl out from under the load of crap you presented by adding more crap continues to be unproductive.;-)
Yours,
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P.s. You are, of course, free to review my posts in this thread, and respond to what I have written rather than what you have fantasized.


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Originally Posted by issodhos
Originally Posted by loganrbt
Okay, I admit it. I got sucked into the whirling vortex of misdirection and obfuscation. How many attacks on other nations have been launched by the U.S. government to advance religious purposes this year? 0.At the same time, how many attacks have been launched by other governments to advance other religions or to attack christians in this country? 0.

Interesting. So it appears that in all of 2010 there have been no government attacks on religion in either direction. Hmmm.
There is no doubt that you were indeed trying to manufacture a vortex of misdirection and obfuscation, loganrbt -- and continue to attempt to do so. Your attempt now is to engage in the fallacy of logic known as ignoratio elenchi -- you are trying to argue a point not previously introduced by me which is nations attacking America or America being attacked by other nations for religious reasons. You also seek to alter the initial argument by pretending that I claimed that Christians were under attack by others and those attacks are somehow defined as terrorist. No such claim was made and I suspect you are intelligent enough to know that loganrbt.

I should also point out that the "illogical extension" that an attack on America is an attack on Christianity, was made by you. So, your attempt to crawl out from under the load of crap you presented by adding more crap continues to be unproductive.;-)
Yours,
Issodhos
P.s. You are, of course, free to review my posts in this thread, and respond to what I have written rather than what you have fantasized.

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Hos, has there been assaults on Christians in America? The growth of Atheism is not an attack on any God, but a desire for open discussions. I seriously doubt that had the powerful Christian Lobby not continued to make sins out of many natural habits, the subject of Christianity would never have come up.

President Bush 43 ran on a list of Prohibitions brought to him by Falwell and Robertson. Every one of those Prohibitions removed the rights from large groups of American citizens. My points have always been that the federal government does not have the authority to tell us what not to do. The Bill of Rights tells the government what it cannot do to the people. It is the individual states who tell us what not to do.....

If the American people insist that America is a Christian nation then the government can act on behalf of Jesus Christ. All the government has to do is mandate that the Christian God will rule the Constitution.

When the time comes for the Prohibitions to be added to the Bill of Rights, then sobeit. The Congress will then have to come up with several billion dollars to pay for a military takeover who look for pregnant women at home and abroad. The assault on the gay community will end up like the Salem Witch trials.

Personally I have no interest in any God....I would like to push integrity over superstition and let the Americans believe anything they want.

At this point in time, we have many Republicans who want those prohibitions made into Federal laws. There are many here who would push the federal government into our health care, what we should not eat or drink, how fast we drive, and even noise restrictions. Our F-16 Luke Airforce base tends to test those beautiful jets and the people here want them grounded.

If one studies the correspondence prior to WW1, WW2, Viet Nam, Korea and now the Middle East, you will see what people are driven to hate. The second tower was not yet in ruins before the talk on many forums was centered on how to destroy Islam.

I'm not certain whether Americans are able to fight against the actions of Islam. Americans are not settled in their Christian God firmly enough to go to war over anything.



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