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[quote]Published 1990
Iran-Contra Deposition -- Reagan Testimony Bares Memory Loss, But Not Much Else
WASHINGTON - Head cocked earnestly to one side, eyebrows knit, mouth pursed, former President Reagan spent eight hours of testimony claiming to know less about his administration's Iran-contra scandal than do millions of average citizens
Reporters who saw the videotaped deposition yesterday in federal court repeatedly saw the former president shake his head in apology, glance down and say he did not remember.
Pressed about his knowledge of the activities of Lt. Col. Oliver North in supplying the contras with military aid, Reagan said, ``Well, I am not sure I am understanding this. My major was in economics, not law.''
Asked about Gen. John Vessey, whom he picked to be chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff between 1982 and 1985, making Vessey the top military man during those years, Reagan replied, ``Oh, dear. I could ask for help here. The name I know is very familiar.''
Asked about Eugene Hasenfus, an American shot down by the Nicaraguans as he tried to drop military supplies to the contras, Reagan said: ``My memory goes no further than the fact that he was a citizen of our country and was the victim of an accident.'' Hasenfus was under instructions from and paid by North.
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Brother Michael has turned ugly over Ron Jr's writings. There has been dissension between the two that will now get the full force of social conservatives. Ron is out of the reach of Rush, Fox and any damage Michael might inflict.
I have been the Reagan Presidency fan here since the beginning but I myself witnessed changes in his agenda that was puzzling.
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Keep in mind, that when Mr. Reagan was shot due to an assassination attempt - the Presidential limousine on its way to the hospital, the Secret Service completely familiar with the streets of Washington DC got "lost" for quite some time. The ambulance carrying James Brady, arriving to the assassination scene 5 mins after the Presidential limousine left with a wounded Ronald Reagan inside, arrived at the hospital before the Presidential limousine. When Mr. Reagan found this information out, his relationship with his co-executive was never the same. Rick: I wonder where you got this from; it does not match what I remember from when it happened. We who were in Dc at the time followed this mighty closely, and .Ii believe I would have taken note of a delay in reaching the hospital. Particularly since I had previously spent several years as a paramedic and ambulance driver. This timeline sounds much more accurate: 2:30 Shots are fired outside the Hilton Hotel in Washington, DC. Reagan is pushed (hard) into his limosine and swears when Secret Service agent Jerry Parr lands on top of him. The limo heads for the White House (at high speed, one would presume), ten minutes away.
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2:35 Reagan's limosine arrives at the entrance of the GW Emergency Room. I'm still trying to figure out what you meant about the co-executive. Did you mean VP Bush? If so, I cannot figure out why Reagan would have changed his professional or personal relationship with Bush because of something that happened when Bush wasn't even around. Could you elaborate?
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By the way, if you watch the video of Reagan's testimony, it is pretty easy to see that an encounter with alzhiemers symptoms makes people feel uncomfortable. No one wants to hurt Reagan, or make him look stupid... and so there is this elaborate dance that takes place where the matters at hand are presented in a way that the person can respond.... "do you agree that...." etc.
Also, if you look at the early tapes of the proceeding, you will see an entirely different President Reagan... who spoke clearly, confidently, etc. One Of the characteristics of Alzheimers that I noticed with my dad is the person has limited reserves of intellectual energy.... If I caught him when he was rested and fresh, he seemed fairly well. But if I caught him after some period of stress, then he was more like the Reagan in the video I linked to
Also, a characteristic of Alzheimers is an reduced to deal with detail.... Again you see this with Reagan..... he was comfortable with general concepts, but had a very difficult time with the details.
As Issodhos pointed out, Pres. Reagan did not have clinical Alzheimers while he was president. But I think there is pretty strong evidence that he was to some degree compromised.
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... I cannot figure out why Reagan would have changed his professional or personal relationship with Bush because of something that happened when Bush wasn't even around.
Could you elaborate?  [u]Mr. Bush[i] didn't have[/i] to be there![/u] By-the-way Churlpy, have you done your Mena, Arkansas and Barry Seals homework that I assigned to you? 
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' No one wants to hurt Reagan, or make him look stupid... Please express only your own opinion, and not those of others! · · · 
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Everyone in DC knew about the "connection" between the Bushes and the Hinkleys within hours after the shooting in 1981. It was news then not because of any suspicion or undercurrent that the VP was involved in an assassination plot but because it was viewed as an odd coincidence. But you still have not answered my question as to where you got the stuff about the time-line of the aftermath of the assassination. And if you go back and look at what you wrote you will see that the antecedent to "this information" appeared to have been the route to the hospital. I read that Flocco piece of crap until I got to the line: Interestingly, legal experts note that the crime occurred in Washington, D.C., the only venue in the United States at that time which recognized an insanity defense. Bolding and font color were in the original text. That, of course, is just a pile of horsesh!t and is typical of the conspiracy theory stupidity that is so rampant on the Internet. Bolding and font color changes always raise a red flag in my face, and I immediately suspect that something is awry. That is certainly the case here. Here's one statute, from North carolina:: § 15A‑959. Notice of defense of insanity; pretrial determination of insanity.
(a) If a defendant intends to raise the defense of insanity, the defendant must file a notice of the defendant's intention to rely on the defense of insanity as provided in G.S. 15A‑905(c) and, if the case is not subject to that section, within a reasonable time prior to trial. The court may for cause shown allow late filing of the notice or grant additional time to the parties to prepare for trial or make other appropriate orders.
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(c) Upon motion of the defendant and with the consent of the State the court may conduct a hearing prior to the trial with regard to the defense of insanity at the time of the offense. If the court determines that the defendant has a valid defense of insanity with regard to any criminal charge, it may dismiss that charge, with prejudice, upon making a finding to that effect. The court's denial of relief under this subsection is without prejudice to the defendant's right to rely on the defense at trial. If the motion is denied, no reference to the hearing may be made at the trial, and recorded testimony or evidence taken at the hearing is not admissible as evidence at the trial. (1973, c. 1286, s. 1; 1977, c. 711, s. 25; 2004‑154, s. 10.) Now, would you care to wager whether I could find a similar statute in every other state of the Union? Insanity is and has been part of English common law for literally hundreds of years, back at least to the time of Edward II, who ruled in the early 14th century. So if Mr. Flocco is wrong about that, and even bolds the text and changes the color to high-light it, about what else is he incorrect? Inquiring and dubious minds want to know. The bottom line is that there is a reason the letters l-o-c-o appear in Tom Flocco's name.
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...That, of course, is just a pile of horsesh!t... The question is: Was the statute cited the only one in effect - nationwide - in 1981? Remember, it's been 30 years and a lot of statutes have changed - or been added - in 30 years. 
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By-the-way Churlpy, have you done your Mena, Arkansas and Barry Seals homework that I assigned to you?
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Churlpy here is another link to the assassination attempt on Mr. Reagan's life. [Mr. Reagan] comes out the same exit and where's the car?' It is nowhere near the door. It's 40-50 feet down the pavement. So, he's got to walk out into the open. What's supposed to happen? The Secret Service is supposed to surround him like a diamond and protect him. One guy goes forward, McCarthy, to open the door for him. The rest don't surround him. They all file out like a line of ducks off to the right and they leave Reagan walking in the open with Brady and these other guys. Then, the shooting happens.
The damage that was done there once the shooting started was quite extensive. Brady was hit which literally took a large chunk of his brain and knocked him on to the ground. A black cop was nicked in the neck, a big beefy cop, and he spun and hit the ground hard by the shot [Thomas Delahanty is white - c4s]. McCarthy, 160 pounds, was lifted by the shot, that hit him in the groin at the back door of the car, and thrown through the air to the front bumper of the car. He himself says that was no 22.
All of the early press reports said that Hinkley was firing a 38 and that is much more consistent with these kinds of reactions. A 22 will hurt you, enter you and do damage inside you, but it's not going to knock you over. A 38 is a much larger caliber of bullet. Hinkley purchased a 38 at a pawn shop on Elm Street in Dallas -- the same street where Kennedy was assassinated. I'm suggesting that GHW Bush = John Henkley Jr, Mark David Chapman, Barry Seals, Ollie North, and Larry King of Omaha and Bohemian Grove. I'm not going out on a limb to say that Mr. Bush was in Dallas on November 22, 1963 as some allege. I need to see more evidence. Picking one item out of an article and discounting its merits does not mean the rest of the article is wrong - even Sarah Palin is correct on occasion. 
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