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Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler
Grid system...if you could call it that.
More like a spaghetti rat's nest of inefficient, overheated, ancient wires that leak away more than half what we generate while sending another 1/4 of it to places where a local coop could do the job better.

Which leads me to my point:

Industrial areas and city centers need large centralized plants, I see that.

But suburban sprawl, exurbia and the great rural countryside?
Hell no, they do NOT need centralized power distributed from a great distance.

Yeah sure I am glad that the Rural Electrification program of the FDR era brought the network down there to the hollers, but let's let the holler generate its own power and use that grid to supply it locally.

Let's help the people in suburbia put solar and wind to work, and even some very small scale non-prolif nukes like pebble bed systems or thorium.

The so-called smart grid? Part of what would make it "smart" is the realization that METRO Dallas-Fort Worth, for example, needs centralized power production and distribution but Alvarado, Venus, Waco, Copperas Cove, and the other gazillion little bergs do NOT. They can do better on their own, with less waste, lower cost, less footprint and less dependence on some giant politically vulnerable utility.

Large scale centralized power production and distribution for everyone is a dead idea.
Limiting a nation's choices to gasoline only is soooo twentieth century.

And soooo multinational corporate controlled...


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Amen.


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This may not belong here. When Obama ran one of the things he promised was to fix the nation's power grid and he, as in most of the things he promised to work on, was dead on. I continue to believe in most everything he talked about when he was running <sigh>. I even watched a lot of the hearings on the grid and came to realize that jurisdiction is a seriously screwed up jurisdictional battleground. There are PUD's, private power companies, states, counties, municipalities, property owners, etc. ALL of which claim jurisdiction over their own bits of the net. After watching some of the hearings I wondered how in the world all of this stuff could be dealt with as fixing the grid involves them ALL (and they were ALL spending a lot of time testifying which particular trees they were pissing on (they couldn't even agree on that!).

So, as far as I know the Fix The Power Grid initiative has gone no place. Unfortunately this seems to be about par for the Obama course and its a shame. The real shame, however, is that nobody else has suggested any alternatives, plans, or even thoughts on this one (as far as I can determine). Its like everything else in gov these days, the problems exist for politicians to argue about, another thing to 'win', rather than actually deal with and fix.

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Water pools filled, no place to put radioactive water.
Radiation too high for workers.
Work Stopped at Fukushima
Officials "may go back in a week"
If not???? ........

Next?

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[b]Elevated radiation levels widespread in eastern Japan[/b]
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It took several months for the world to learn that there were three core meltdowns at Fukushima. It will take years for the entire truth to be revealed, and not every report will be entirely accurate.

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Interesting. Just last week I got into a knife fight with a dermatologist and lost. She cut a 4 inch hunk out of my forearm. Stage II Melanoma. I'm the one who discovered it. Thanks to my Irish heritage I've lived a sunburned life. Years ago, however, I've started being cautious. I even put non-scented Oil of Olay with #15 sun protection on my hands and forearms everyday.

As she was butchering me I asked she has noticed any sustained increase in skin cancer. She said that it would be difficult to tell. She has more clients, clients are older than clients used to be and yada, yada.

I don't believe Fukushima is going to help matters. I am being more careful about food and fish I eat. Fukushima isn't over yet.


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Perhaps Mick--but greater dangers await you--and me:








Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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Kevin Fowler ~ We Ain't Dead Yet


They keep tellin us stayin out all night long
Is just plain bad for your health
Drinkin beer all the time, cheap wine and whiskey
Is the same thing as killin yourself
Eatin everything fried, red dye number nine
And cookin in the microwave
They say phosphates and sulphates, flouride in the toothpaste
Will send you to an early grave

Chorus:
But we aint dead yet, no we aint dead yet
Old ticker's still a-tickin ya we're still alive and kickin
No we aint dead yet

Pumpin smoke in our lungs to the effects of the sun
Eatin hamburgers cooked on the grill
Biscuits and gravy is a heart attack waitin
Might as well just make out your will
They got doctors and lawyers and studies and figures
They say we're all good as gone
Tell all the rule makers and all the rule breakers
Why don't you just leave us alone

Chorus:
But we aint dead yet, no we aint dead yet
The old ticker's still a-tickin ya we're still alive and kickin
No we aint dead yet

As long as i'm able to cheat the old devil
Gonna keep on raisin hell
So tell me how to take em, talk about it later
Save that firebox for somebody else

Chorus:
Oh no we aint dead yet, no we aint dead yet
The old ticker's still a-tickin ya we're still alive and kickin
No we aint dead yet

Oh we aint dead yet, no we aint dead yet
We're still stirrin up a ruckus, lightnin aint a-struck us
No we aint dead yet

Oh we aint dead yet, no we aint dead yet
From the nicotine, cafeine, tylenol and alcohol
We aint dead yet


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Well, obviously, Kevin, since you are still caterwauling.

The Dead can't sing anymore.

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