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Ma Prior to the government shutdown, Congress passed several continuing resolutions for funding, although both were vetoed by President Clinton.[51] When the previous appropriations bills expired, the government closed most non-essential offices. The shutdown became the longest-ever in U.S. history, ending when Clinton agreed to submit a CBO-approved balanced budget plan.[52] (emphasis added) Hmmm.... not sure this helps your argument, churlpat. Makes it sound like the "shutdown" worked.:-) Yours, Issodhos
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This is not a government shutdown. A shutdown is one of the side effects. This is something much worse. A shutdown does not compromise credit ratings.
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This is not a government shutdown. A shutdown is one of the side effects. This is something much worse. A shutdown does not compromise credit ratings. Well, the Rep/Dems are certainly trying to scare folks into thinking it would be the end of the world.:-) Yours, Issodhos
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This is not a government shutdown. A shutdown is one of the side effects. This is something much worse. A shutdown does not compromise credit ratings. Well, the Rep/Dems are certainly trying to scare folks into thinking it would be the end of the world.:-) Yours, Issodhos "world" Define your term.
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Ma Your post is redolent with lack of grasp on reality. Among other things I absolutely LOVE where you look at this mess and say it's Obama's fault. Realists look at the recalcitrance of the Republicans, particularly those who are drinking the tea, and wonder how they can throw their country under the bus. And the statement that it was Clinton who shut down the government! A classic misdirection. Here is reality: Gingrich and the incoming Republican majority's promise to slow the rate of government spending conflicted with the president's agenda for Medicare, education, the environment and public health, leading eventually to a temporary shutdown of the U.S. federal government.[50] Prior to the government shutdown, Congress passed several continuing resolutions for funding, although both were vetoed by President Clinton.[51] When the previous appropriations bills expired, the government closed most non-essential offices. The shutdown became the longest-ever in U.S. history, ending when Clinton agreed to submit a CBO-approved balanced budget plan.[52]
During the crisis, Gingrich's public image suffered from perception that the Republican hardline stance over the budget owed partly to a "snub" by Clinton during a flight to and from Yitzhak Rabin's funeral in Israel.[53] Following the trip, Gingrich attended a breakfast with reporters in Washington, where he expressed dissatisfaction with Clinton not inviting him to discuss the budget during the flight, as well as being instructed to use the plane's rear exit, saying the snub was "part of why you ended up with us sending down a tougher continuing resolution".[54] In the subsequent media coverage, Gingrich was lampooned for implying that the government shutdown was a result of his personal grievances, including a widely-shared editorial cartoon depicting him as having thrown a temper tantrum.[55] Democratic leaders, including Charles Schumer, took the opportunity to attack Gingrich's motives for the budget standoff.[56][57] Gingrich later called his comments the "single most avoidable mistake" as Speaker. wiki article on Newt Gingrich, which seems to me to pretty well summarize the truth of that sorry episode in our past. Newt didn't throw his country under the bus, he threw it under the wheels of Air Force One. The inability to compromise when the future of our government is at stake is destroying the Republican Party. All of those Republicans who are part of that sorry excuse for a political organization and who exacerbate the problem by failing to understand and to steer your party into a real attempt at solutions rather than posturing, are, at best, misguided souls and at worst complicit in willful destruction of our government, traitors in other words. Unlike the President, I have been very consistent in my opinion of this issue. I believe that spending really is the issue, the fact that it is what was previously spent only makes me more determined to find a suitable solution. If this is the issue that people are making it out to be, then the President will have no choice but to sign a limited increase. If he doesn't then he will have thrown America's best interests away in the name of reelection and it will indicate that he really doesn't believe that this a major issue. We have a group of people in the house who are determined to make America accountable to the tax payers, and a group of people in Congress who are determined to make America beholden to special interests. There is no way that the President can spin this into a bad Republican thing, especially after they introduce a viable solution this afternoon. I am fond of telling people that politics is a contact sport, and we are seeing bad heavyweight fight right now. Obama has screwed up what should have been a draw, it is now becoming a rout. What he fails to realize is that Clinton won by moving to the center, but no matter how much he tries, he can't do that, just when it looks like he is beginning to gain a little traction he decides that he has to throw the left a bone, or a side of beef in this case. He knows that he can't get tax increases through the house, yet he keeps trying to make then see the error of their ways by insisting on "new revenues", another code phrase for tax increases. The art of being a successful politician is knowing what can and cannot be signed into law. Obama is living the dream, but living a dream usually has nothing to do with living in reality.
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The House approved a continuing resolution, Congress approved it and Clinton refused to sign it. That, by definition, is Clinton shutting down the government.
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' The House approved a continuing resolution, Congress approved it and Clinton refused to sign it. That, by definition, is Clinton shutting down the government. HURRAY !! · · But will it shut down the CIA and the War Machine? · · · 
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Ma; I think you made one slight error in your last. I have tried to fix that for you:
We have a group of people in the house who are determined to make America accountable to the tax pLayers, and a group of people in Congress who are determined to make America beholden to special interests.
This being the case I fail to see the difference. Perhaps you might like to explain it all to us so that we can understand?
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Ma; I think you made one slight error in your last. I have tried to fix that for you:
We have a group of people in the house who are determined to make America accountable to the tax pLayers, and a group of people in Congress who are determined to make America beholden to special interests.
This being the case I fail to see the difference. Perhaps you might like to explain it all to us so that we can understand? I understad that the debt limit will be raised, even though I would prefer it not be. I also understand that eventually taxes may have to be raised, but that eventuality has the word "may" in front of it. While all of you people blast the Tea Partiers and make crass jokes about them they are the only members of Congress with enough honor to keep their word to their constituencies. They believe with every fiber of their being that America has become an ATM for whichever party is in power and they are willing to suffer the slings and arrows of everybody to keep their promise. From what I witness in recents Congressional sessions, that kind of committment and rare indeed in Washington. Like them or not, they are the group of legislators who are accountable to the taxpayer, and has no use for the status quo. It is very refreshing.
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Like them or not, they are the group of legislators who are accountable to the taxpayer so let me get this straight ... if you are the representative of a group of people who don't believe in spending and if a meteor is heading for your district but it will cost money to avert disaster, you, as the representative of idiots, will vote against saving your district .... have i summed that up correctly??? so you find it refreshing that a group of congressmen are willing to destroy America so you can hold them in high regard??? maybe it plays better if you wrap a flag around yourself and sing a few bars of the star spangled banner ...
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