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Between 87 and 89, Michael Springmann, Head of the U.S.
Consul in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia was ordered to “issue visas to unqualified applicants. The majority of applicants were none other than bin Laden recruits. It turns out that the Jeddah Consulate was almost entirely staffed by CIA agents who continued the “open” visa program through 9/11, of course 15 of the 19 of the 9/11 alleged “highjackers” got their visas through the Jeddah Consulate.

By 1999, it is estimated that the U.S. and Saudi Arabia has poured over $40 Billion into the “Mujahideen Project”.

As a footnote to the events of 9/11, it is important to understand what the government desires were prior to 9/11. This desire can be easily seen in the writings of Brzezinski: He states Eurasia is vital to the strategic interest of the U.S. and Central Asia is the key to dominating that region, particularly with its large oil reserves. He also gives a picture of the motive behind everything that points to 9/11: that in order for the U.S. to maintain its global supremacy, it must prevent, at any cost, a possible adversary from controlling that region. He gives an almost chilling prophecy of the future when he states: “The attitude of the American public toward the external projection of American power has been much more ambivalent. The public supported America’s engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.” He goes on to predict that such an ambitious strategy in Central Asia cannot be implemented “except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.”

R.S. this was done during Reagan's Administration. How do you interpret this information? It scares the hell out of me! Why do we keep tip toeing around the Arabs?

Sorry I am in a rush this morning Sandy...actually the entire week has been unbelievably hectic. So, in a very short and incomplete answer: Either we have some very dumb people influencing our government or we have some very smart people influencing our government that are playing a very specific and dangerous "passion play" with this nation and its citizens. My fear is that it is the latter!

My take: It's the oil. It has always been about oil and who controls it. Nothing more, nothing less.

This is where the baby boomers are going to fail in their policies. Oil will be gone in about 30 years - but they won't be alive to see it what they wrought upon the United States. This is why the United States of America has never gotten away from oil. The boomers don't care, they'll be gone anyway.

The Reagan Administration was the first Administration after Carter's do develop an alternative energy program - yet they choose not to.

The Clinton Administration too dropped the ball.

The G.W. Bush Administration is all about making profit from oil - so they are not interested in getting America off of the oil teet.

Yes, the boomers will long be gone, their wealth distributed, their "me-ism" policies we be left for my generation and the ones thereafter to deal with.

You boomers are leaving us later generations quite a legacy. I hope your wealth from oil has made you happy.

Oil? are you crazy Rick.

just listen to what the Australian Prime minister had to say

""We are not there because of oil and we didn't go there because of oil," Mr Howard told Sydney Radio 2GB"

and his foreign minister the day before:

"Brendan Nelson told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that Iraq was "an important supplier of energy, oil in particular, to the rest of the world, and Australians ... need to think what would happen if there were a premature withdrawal from Iraq".
"

or er, ummmm

Ill take a slip of honesty over devious executives bullsh*t for 100 please alex

what is the reason were in Iraq?

the american administration Like premier howard are only in it for oiltruistic motives!

Rick, I believe you are right. I was not aware of the term "peak oil" until I read Ruppert's book "Crossing the Rubicon" where he pointed out that 9/11 was based on oil.

Before 9/11, many of us who lived along the Colorado River realized the high cost of heating and cooling our homes could be turned over to wind power as the winds seemed to follow the river south. I was told the environmentalists would never allow wind mills as it would kill the birds. Many who live in N.W. Phoenix are now installing Solar panels on the roof but even that is very high when it does not cool the homes which is as important as heating.

Since 2001, we all know that oil has been the source of terrible arrangements made with the Middle Eastern oil suppliers. Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush apparently were all involved in the rape of the Middle East.

America cannot conquer the Middle East but America can't seem to realize this fact. I listened to CSPAN this morning when the discussion was the war in Iraq and a very high number of callers claimed they were frustrated with the war and turned to the bible to help them.

END OF TIMES won the discussion! This will be the answer to America's problems unless we get a real honest Constitutional loving leader in the White House who will fulfill his job description and put the bible back in the "Fiction" section of the library.

Coming up with this cop out of our problems is an insult to the many American soldiers who were sacrificed for such a belief. These people are as eager to self-destruct as the Islamic zealots are. American values are leaving all of us under these rotten leaders.

Thank Gawd we younger generation are not "into" the "End Times, let me cower under the covers with my Bible" bullcrap!

Not all of us old timers buy it either.

That's good to know. It "seems" like the older one gets, realizing their mortality, the "closer" to "God" they become.

Is it a case of: "...just in case?"

I think so!

It's more a case of not wanting to think. Most Christians are self limiting when it comes to the unknown. I was a Hospice worker in Calfornia and Arizona and the elderly terminals seldom were that religious. Many refused a cleric at the end so I pitched and they died laughing. Most were so damn sick they didn't care where they went. It was the young terminals that needed spiritual guidance and I would step away those last hours. I emotionally couldn't take their loss. I had a young AIDs patient who was also my neighbor. The sun went out in my life for a long time when he died. I got a sample of what it must be like to lose a son.

But this is supposed to be happy thread.....