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Very interesting for calls to reserve judgment until facts are known -- wouldn't it be great if the same were accorded for other events? That would pretty much shut mechanic and issodhos down 100% it seems to me. Feel free to -- how have you worded it in the past -- oh, "man up" and support this B.S. by show examples of me rushing to judgement without sufficient information on an issue. Could you also explain what your comment has to do with the topic? Take your time. 
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Why limit this to gun issues? is that the only instance to reserve judgment? Piffle
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Jim Hammer, ex-San Francisco DA was on Bay Area talk radio today and he said "400 hundred" and he has the inside info being in that biz and all...
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Why did the Sanford, FL po'po' body tag the toe as John Doe when the kid was just on his cell phone?
Where's the cell phone? Why didn't the po'po' trace the phone to who owned it? Cracker police.
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Hey LT its either going to be a "good " shooting or the shooter is going to get prosecuted. Every year there's a lot "doubtful" shootings by LEOs, too ! What I'd like to see is everyone shut up and let the Sanford PD do its thing sans public/political/media pressure(s) ! The present situation is akin to "The Oxbow Incident" and a "lynch mob" mania ! >Mech Sorry Mech but we CAN'T shut up because Sanford has SO FAR made it quite clear that they have NO INTENTION of "doing their job". If you can't see that then we have nothing more to talk about because you're dealing with some fictional version of Sanford that exists on another planet. The one here on Earth, in Florida, is pretending no law was broken, no evil was done and no shooters need be arrested. And they're just sorta hoping that Mom will finally eat and forget that she lost a son.
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Screw it, we don't have anything more to talk about Mech...iggy button engaged.
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Iss, I'm interested in the source you used to indicate Zimmerman was detained. I have not found that in any article I've read. Thanks.
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Sanford Commission Votes No Confidence in Police Chief "When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self-defense, which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony," the chief responded. "By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time." Specifically WHAT circumstances? The exploding cyanide Skittles or the Bunker Buster can of iced tea? Did Trayvon the terrorist have an IED embedded in his cell phone? Is that why it hasn't turned up yet? I guarantee you ONE circumstance and that's this: Trayvon's family members will not be able to shoot Zimmerman and get away with a claim of self-defense despite the fact that they have every reason to believe that Zimmerman would pose a threat to their physical safety if he is anywhere in sight of any of them, not the other way around. After all, at this juncture the score lies at Zimmerman 1 Martin 0
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If your family name is Martin and you're being approached by Zimmerman, and you are unarmed, what do you think your initial reaction is going to be, given "the circumstances"?
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I think I found the same information as you, Jeff. Zimmerman was not arrested or detained. On why Zimmerman wasn't arrested or detained after the shooting:
When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time...If the arrest is done maliciously and in bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.
Lee then goes on to cite Florida's "stand your ground" law as the reason Zimmerman could not be arrested. That wouldn't however, explain why even a law-abiding gun-owner who committed a purportedly justifiable homicide wouldn't have been administered drug and alcohol examinations as a matter of procedure. - Mother Jones. The mug shot being distributed on news outlets was apparently from his 2005 arrest for assaulting a police officer. George Zimmerman Unprotected By Self-Defense Law in Trayvon Martin Killing, Florida Lawmakers Say Police said that without evidence proving that Zimmerman attacked Martin first, they had no grounds to charge him with a crime.
Dennis Baxley, a Republican state representative and co-author of the 2005 self-defense law, said Zimmerman negated his ability to claim immunity under the law by chasing Martin.
"This law is for innocent, law-abiding citizens who are under attack by a perpetrator," Baxley told The Huffington Post. "Anyone who is out pursuing and confronting people is not protected by this statute."
"I think they need to go back and read the statute," Baxley said, referring to the Sanford Police Department.
Former Republican State Sen. Durell Peadon, another co-author of the law, said Zimmerman "has no protection under my law."
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