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Bingo! The author of the second piece makes no mention of that little event that occurred in 2008...you know...the Great Recession.
The other interesting omission is that, although the author provides a chart that compares spending against GDP...he doesn't provide us with the chart that would at least provide a "complete picture", i.e., change in revenue against GDP.
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hannity refers to them as his intellectual think tank
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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the conservative approach whoa ... the conservative approach is all about the facts which liberals simply ignore ... in great specificity were the cents, nickels, dimes, quarters and dollar bills stacked with appropriate mileages listed ... you need to see more than that??? no conservative i know can provide a metric for anything
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as usual there is a reading comprehension malfunction here follow the words closely ... the article talks about the budget ... let me repeat a little louder ... the article talks about the budget ... and one more time to be sure ... the article talks about the budgetthe disconnect is the conservative duplicitous confusion over shortfall in revenue with actual budget increase as if the revenues never fell and the Bush economic recession, 2 wars and unpaid for Bush era tax cuts never happened ... radical right wing extremist talk radio show hosts use this to really misinform their audience the reason for the revenue shortfall is well known but not recognized nor accepted in the face of reality by conservatives ... so simply check the numbers instead of the percentages and I quote from citation Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion geez ... another example of ... yeah ... whatever Then he has overspent his budget about $1.6T/year on average, you remember what a budget is don't you? We haven't had one in over three years. It doesn't matter what you say his budget is, the Democratic house, then Senate has refued to pass one so Obama would be able to claim what is basically bullsh!t and lies. Now he may have had the intention of staying within some imaginary budget, and who knows, maybe in his mind he came in under budget, but since he hasn't had a budget approved for him due to the Democrats in Congress, I guess he is a fiscal spendthrift. $5T+ over three years is an impressive amount of debt to rack up on 9% unemployment, the Middle East falling apart at his feet, Europe laughing at him and there are still dictators he hasn't bowed to yet. FYI - $5T in pennies is 481,376,262.62 Miles.
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the conservative approach whoa ... the conservative approach is all about the facts which liberals simply ignore ... in great specificity were the cents, nickels, dimes, quarters and dollar bills stacked with appropriate mileages listed ... you need to see more than that??? no conservative i know can provide a metric for anything FACT over $5T in NEW DEBT in the last three years. I don't care what kind of number you spin, because the facts undermine the lie that Obama has been a fiscal conservative.
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Then he has overspent his budget about $1.6T/year on average now let me draw some pictures as you are experiencing some difficulty understanding this the budget is for example $3.5T ... now to over spend that he would have had to actually spent according to you $5.1T here is the picture ... the budget is $3.5T and revenues are $2.3T ... now if you do some kindergarten arithmetic we have a deficit of ( -$1.2T) ... this is not overspending It doesn't matter what you say his budget is can this be paraphrased as you don't care what the facts are ... why yes it can not my responsibility to understand for you ... you gotta do some thinking for yourself
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you clearly do not understand what is meant by "new debt" the term "new debt" refers to increased budgeting (as in a new program such as medicare part d) which requires borrowed money thus incurring "new debt" as opposed to increased debt due as an example to reduced revenues I don't care what kind of number you spin, because the facts undermine the lie that Obama has been a fiscal conservative i guess that was a nice try but elrushbo would do better first, i know you ignore the facts even as you maintain you are a fact oriented guy which i can not comprehend second, the article undermines the conservative lie that he is a spendthrift but that does not imply he is a fiscal conservative ... it would be your fault for misinterpreting the article i don;t know what kind of water they have in mass but i recommend getting on to bottled water pronto
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1. Reduce spending with tax increases or.... 2. Hope for a smoking hot economy or... 3. Get inflation into double digits.
Debt approaching 16T and that is unacceptable.
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Every penny spent by government should be heavily scrutinized Greger, Let's see the government begin with the above. That would be a stupendous starting place. Taxpayers are at the mercy of these jerks and there's little to no accountability or transparency so they do whatever the hell they want without consequences. Then...when the smoke clears after some resemblance of a semi-true accounting of how the government fleeces America...the taxpayers (voters) can then put the squeeze on and demand changes and perhaps slam down some consequences. I have no doubt that the heists government have perpetrated over the last couple of hundred years is more numbers than my slightly antiquated Casio calculator has the capacity to display. I think it only displays about 16 digits.
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It doesn't matter what you say his budget is, the Democratic house, then Senate has refued to pass one so Obama would be able to claim what is basically bullsh!t and lies. Now he may have had the intention of staying within some imaginary budget, and who knows, maybe in his mind he came in under budget, but since he hasn't had a budget approved for him due to the Democrats in Congress, I guess he is a fiscal spendthrift. Oh, Ma, you just slay me with your witty repartee! some folks here seem to think you are being serious when you post this stuff, but I've learned over the years that this is your outlet for your comedy writing skills. That Democrats in Congress line ranks right up there with the Who's On First routing of Laurel and Hardy [sic]! What an uproarious notion, that the Democrats could pass a budget! The Republicans have controlled the House of Representatives for two years and we all know that budget bills must come from the House!! Democrats!! Oh, man, that is rich!!
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